Отправлено: 25.04.16 19:23. Заголовок: АИ Франция 20-30

АИ - отказ от Мажино. Танковые армии и маневренные операции. Фортификационные узлы.
Флот: Развитие Авиакрейсеров - 6 шт в 12000т, 30 уз, 40 аппаратов тяжелее воздуха.
Самолеты - гидро: Истребители-бомбардировщики ( до 500 кг) и разведчики-бомбардировщики-торпедоносцы (до 2 торпед или до 2 000 кг). Какие - ?
Дюнкерки сохранены.
Крейсера - ?
Контр-миноносцы - ?

 Отправлено: 25.04.16 21:03. Заголовок: Адмирал Бугенвиль, Ф..

Адмирал Бугенвиль, Франция Авиакрейсер laid down 1930

Displacement:
10 286 t light; 10 658 t standard; 11 815 t normal; 12 740 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(532,96 ft / 524,93 ft) x 55,77 ft x (24,61 / 26,16 ft)
(162,45 m / 160,00 m) x 17,00 m x (7,50 / 7,97 m)
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Armament: 16 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 450 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread 16 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 850 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 519 lbs / 235 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,01" / 51 mm 393,70 ft / 120,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 115% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,98" / 25 mm - - 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,46" / 37 mm Forecastle: 0,47" / 12 mm Quarter deck: 1,46" / 37 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,72" / 120 mm, Aft 3,86" / 98 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Electric motors, 4 shafts, 90 539 shp / 67 542 Kw = 31,00 kts Range 6 000nm at 17,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 2 082 tons Complement: 566 - 736 Cost: £3,220 million / $12,882 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 102 tons, 0,9% - Guns: 102 tons, 0,9% Armour: 980 tons, 8,3% - Belts: 315 tons, 2,7% - Armament: 23 tons, 0,2% - Armour Deck: 546 tons, 4,6% - Conning Towers: 96 tons, 0,8% Machinery: 2 744 tons, 23,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 410 tons, 28,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 529 tons, 12,9% Miscellaneous weights: 3 050 tons, 25,8% - Hull below water: 2 800 tons - Hull above water: 200 tons - On freeboard deck: 50 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 12 717 lbs / 5 768 Kg = 416,8 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 1,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,25 Metacentric height 3,1 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 13,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,15 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has low forecastle, an extended bulbous bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,574 / 0,582 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,41 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,91 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 15,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 36,09 ft / 11,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m - Aft deck: 40,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m - Average freeboard: 29,43 ft / 8,97 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 217,6% Waterplane Area: 20 898 Square feet or 1 941 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121% Structure weight / hull surface area: 72 lbs/sq ft or 351 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,70 - Longitudinal: 4,61 - Overall: 0,85 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea - как поправить? Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

4-6 катапульт, 50 самолетов (гидро): 30 бомб-торп, 20 и-б. Действия в районах с некоторой сетью гидроавиа-аэростанций.

В серии 2 корабля.
Имеется некоторый запас для модернизации: були и вторая броневая палуба. Изменение палубы (???) в полетную для амфибий или колесных - обеспечение посадки.

 Отправлено: 29.04.16 10:38. Заголовок: АИ контр-миноносцы*:..

АИ контр-миноносцы*:
1800т, (полное до 3200), 32-31 уз (решили реальные скорости применять),
Отказ от линейно-возвышенных орудий. 6 - 138мм (6х1) универсальность - ??? гл. сомнительна, 3 парных плутонга на одной высоте надстройки линейно-эшелонно на ДП. 3-2 плутонга ЗА 6х1 76мм за ГК, перпендикулярно ГК, можно возвышенно. И 6х1 37мм. 2х3 ТА, 12 ГБ. 60 МЗ. Обшивка по ВЛ 20мм, палуба - 18мм, локальное бронирование - 20мм.

 Отправлено: 03.05.16 21:41. Заголовок: Идея такой альтернат..

Идея такой альтернативы, кстати, 10 из 10.
Только по флот у французов и так все было хорошо

 Отправлено: 24.05.16 19:44. Заголовок: А с чего упор на ави..

А с чего упор на авиакрейсера?

 Отправлено: 03.06.16 10:04. Заголовок: В начале 30-х, до 35..

В начале 30-х, до 35-36 гидроавиа ещё могла "соперничать" с колесной авианосной.

М.б. франки смогли БЫ ещё улучшить аппараты до убирающейся подпоплавковой/подкорпусной малой колесной системы. М.б. убирались бы и колеса, и прижимались поплавки - : Тема для АИ-исследований. :-).

Самолеты (гидро) т.о. можно было бы применять более свободно, в т.ч. и на базовые ВПП (скорее с твердым покрытием).

И, - двойственная тема развития АИ (и для СССР, и для Франции): малые скоростные торпеды, для авиации и москитов, м.б. и для ПЛ - против ПВО-ПЛО и малых быстроходных целей. 14-16 дм, 50-80 БЧ, 30-60 уз (10-4 каб), 600-800 кг (меньше - сомнительно), возможно - кислородные. Углубление 0.7 - 3,0 м. Ограничение - врлнение?
Даже попадание в ЭМ/лидер или ЛгКР/ТР вполне сможет причинить заметные неприятности эскорту. Легкие же торпеды носители могли бы брать в 2-4 раза больше. Т.е. в максимальном варианте: катер - 4-6 с возможностью перезарядки, самолет - 2-4. Есть вероятность, что увлекутся и начнут изобретать многоствольные ТА с количеством Торп. труб до 6-12
:-)

 Отправлено: 02.04.18 10:41. Заголовок: АИ проект КР для стр..

АИ проект КР для стран не участвующих в Вашингтоно-ЛондОнских соглашениях:
или тип аи-Шанзи со следами австро-венгерского БРКР "Санкт Георг"

аи Шанзи Надежда, Пхукет аи Франция Болгария Сиам аи ЛГ БРКР laid down 1931, можно и 1911 год взять.

Displacement:
5 515 t light; 5 828 t standard; 6 047 t normal; 6 222 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (418,13 ft / 406,82 ft) x 49,21 ft x (19,69 / 20,12 ft) (127,45 m / 124,00 m) x 15,00 m x (6,00 / 6,13 m) Armament: 2 - 9,45" / 240 mm 45,0 cal guns - 425,39lbs / 192,95kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1931 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 8 - 6,46" / 164 mm 45,0 cal guns - 135,73lbs / 61,57kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1931 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 12 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1931 Model 6 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 raised mounts - superfiring Weight of broadside 2 306 lbs / 1 046 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,993 t each, 3,971 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 132,28 lbs / 60,00 kg Depth Charges + 6 reloads - 0,472 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 5,51" / 140 mm 229,66 ft / 70,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,57" / 40 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 78,74 ft / 24,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 87% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 3rd: 0,59" / 15 mm - 0,59" / 15 mm - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1,57" / 40 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,59" / 15 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 29 860 shp / 22 276 Kw = 26,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 394 tons Complement: 342 - 445 Cost: £2,036 million / $8,146 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 485 tons, 8,0% - Guns: 479 tons, 7,9% - Weapons: 6 tons, 0,1% Armour: 1 310 tons, 21,7% - Belts: 595 tons, 9,8% - Armament: 115 tons, 1,9% - Armour Deck: 571 tons, 9,4% - Conning Towers: 30 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 893 tons, 14,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 827 tons, 46,8% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 532 tons, 8,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 9 081 lbs / 4 119 Kg = 21,5 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08 Metacentric height 2,0 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 14,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 59 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,85 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,17 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,537 / 0,541 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,27 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,78 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,83 ft / 5,44 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128,1% Waterplane Area: 14 141 Square feet or 1 314 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 134% Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 631 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,29 - Longitudinal: 3,78 - Overall: 1,44 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

 Отправлено: 02.04.18 12:52. Заголовок: Интересный крейсерок..

Интересный крейсерок, не исключены российские корни. Проект вполне мог выйти году так к 1914-му из недр Морской Технической Канцелярии как развитие "Баянцев" и иметь ГК или 1х2-229/45, или даже новую метрическую 1х2-250/50 (либо 2х2-190/55 в оконечностях), СК - 4-5х2 - 140/50 (0-1 в корме, по 2 по бортам), универсальные - 6-8х2 - или 87/45 Барановского-Меллера (удачный по баллистике крупносерийный ствол противоминного калибра обр. 1890 года на противоаэропланном станке обр. 1915 года), или метрические 100/50 ПОЗ. Только водоизмещение будет где-то ближе к 7-8 кт и скорость 28-29 узлов. Чисто как экспортный на мирное время вариант для дружественных стран - в российском флоте ("Альтернатива-38") подобные корабли не будут востребованы - для разведки несколько тихоходны, для прикрытия линейных сил от миноносцев - слишком низкоскорострельное вооружение, ну а для истребления вражеской торговли - подводные лодки существуют.

 Отправлено: 04.04.18 20:22. Заголовок: Инженер Сидоров пише..

Инженер Сидоров пишет:
Точно! Что-то от балтийских императоров-таранов (Николай 1).

 Отправлено: 04.04.18 21:51. Заголовок: von Echenbach пишет:..

von Echenbach пишет:

цитата:

Точно! Что-то от балтийских императоров-таранов (Николай 1).

Ну да, от балтийских "баранов" (armoured ram - броненосный баран) корешки проекта и растут. С новым вооружением, броней Круппа и паровыми турбинами.

 Отправлено: 05.04.18 19:35. Заголовок: Ещё одна "францу..

Ещё одна "французская" идея:
На 1898 год, параллельно с Монкальмами появляется проект "среднего" броненосного крейсера, с приветом "Импербюзу" и "Нахимову" -
6000 т. 23 уз, борт - 120, палуба - 80. 4-240 мм ромбом, в батарейной палубе 12-10-8 100-мм. Пока без деталей. "Крейсер Леванта" - т.е. Средиземного моря (Турвиль. Д'Артаньян, Дюма и др.)

 Отправлено: 20.12.18 17:33. Заголовок: Немного ранее...аи Ф..

Немного ранее...аи Франция 1910. Проект крейсера-разведчика.
Обсуждались: 4х2 (Клебер схема), 5х2 (Анри-Клебер) и 4х2 (кормовые возвышенно, при общей линейной схеме) - 120-мм (уменьшили 138-мм) или оставили 138-мм . ТА - по 1 двухтрубному на борт. ПМК - 4 64-мм на борт

1. 120-мм ГК.
аи Шанзи- 1 МВ, аи Франция Enter ship type laid down 1911

Displacement:
3 140 t light; 3 253 t standard; 3 499 t normal; 3 696 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (357,97 ft / 351,05 ft) x 42,65 ft x (14,76 / 15,42 ft) (109,11 m / 107,00 m) x 13,00 m x (4,50 / 4,70 m) Armament: 8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 8 - 2,52" / 64,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,07lbs / 3,66kg shells, 200 per gun Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1911 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 490 lbs / 222 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,775 t each, 3,098 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,15" / 80 mm 246,06 ft / 75,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,57" / 40 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 108% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 3,15" / 80 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,26" / 32 mm Forecastle: 1,26" / 32 mm Quarter deck: 1,26" / 32 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,57" / 40 mm, Aft 0,79" / 20 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 25 121 shp / 18 740 Kw = 26,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 443 tons Complement: 226 - 295 Cost: £0,297 million / $1,187 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 141 tons, 4,0% - Guns: 135 tons, 3,9% - Weapons: 6 tons, 0,2% Armour: 792 tons, 22,6% - Belts: 373 tons, 10,7% - Armament: 161 tons, 4,6% - Armour Deck: 246 tons, 7,0% - Conning Towers: 12 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 020 tons, 29,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 187 tons, 33,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 359 tons, 10,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 848 lbs / 1 745 Kg = 73,0 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15 Metacentric height 1,8 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 13,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,41 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,16 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,554 / 0,560 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,23 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,74 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,91 ft / 5,16 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139,4% Waterplane Area: 10 488 Square feet or 974 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108% Structure weight / hull surface area: 68 lbs/sq ft or 333 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,88 - Longitudinal: 2,63 - Overall: 0,98 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

2. 138-мм ГК

аи Шанзи- 1 МВ, аи Франция Enter ship type laid down 1911

Displacement:
3 246 t light; 3 380 t standard; 3 630 t normal; 3 830 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (371,09 ft / 364,17 ft) x 42,65 ft x (14,76 / 15,41 ft) (113,11 m / 111,00 m) x 13,00 m x (4,50 / 4,70 m) Armament: 8 - 5,43" / 138 mm 45,0 cal guns - 80,87lbs / 36,68kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 8 - 2,52" / 64,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,07lbs / 3,66kg shells, 200 per gun Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1911 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 712 lbs / 323 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,775 t each, 3,098 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,15" / 80 mm 255,91 ft / 78,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,57" / 40 mm 82,02 ft / 25,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 26,25 ft / 8,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 108% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 3,15" / 80 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,26" / 32 mm Forecastle: 1,26" / 32 mm Quarter deck: 1,26" / 32 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,57" / 40 mm, Aft 0,79" / 20 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 25 091 shp / 18 718 Kw = 26,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 450 tons Complement: 233 - 303 Cost: £0,321 million / $1,284 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 203 tons, 5,6% - Guns: 197 tons, 5,4% - Weapons: 6 tons, 0,2% Armour: 826 tons, 22,8% - Belts: 375 tons, 10,3% - Armament: 184 tons, 5,1% - Armour Deck: 256 tons, 7,0% - Conning Towers: 12 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 018 tons, 28,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 198 tons, 33,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 384 tons, 10,6% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 611 lbs / 1 638 Kg = 45,0 x 5,4 " / 138 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11 Metacentric height 1,7 ft / 0,5 m Roll period: 13,8 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,63 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,21 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,554 / 0,560 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,54 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19,08 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,91 ft / 5,16 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140,4% Waterplane Area: 10 881 Square feet or 1 011 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104% Structure weight / hull surface area: 68 lbs/sq ft or 333 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,83 - Longitudinal: 2,42 - Overall: 0,92 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

 Отправлено: 20.12.18 19:10. Заголовок: Скорее, 138 мм. Водо..

Скорее, 138 мм.
Водоизмещение не маловато? Разведчику нужен радиус. И скорость бы хоть на узел поднять.

 Отправлено: 20.12.18 21:00. Заголовок: Если поднять скорост..

Если поднять скорость - агрегаты ДУ (КМУ) не вписываются в параматры турбин дредноутов. Уже и так допущено увеличение мощности. Отказался от трех винтов.

По дальности - назначение - для эскадры, ближняя разведка, передовой дозор при отрядах БРКР и борьба с МН и ЛгКР неприятеля. Дальняя разведка - БРКР большие. Вполне конкурентоспособные относительно соперников. И от дредноутов уходят.

Размер - экономия. Хотя бы 3 корабля построить.

 Отправлено: 21.12.18 16:01. Заголовок: Близкие родственники..

Близкие родственники моего "Гостомысла"?

 Отправлено: 21.12.18 16:12. Заголовок: Вполне вероятно. :-)..

Вполне вероятно. :-) идеи витают и пересекаются. Кстати, скорость аи-Шанзи 1910 обр можно и увеличить/ и три винта поставить. По мощности КМУ (ДУ-ЭУ) будет приближаться к таковой у "Курбэ", м.б. , более лёгкая. На один винт у "Курбе" приходится 7000 л.с. турбины/котлов. У аи-кр - ? около 12-13 000 л.с.

 Отправлено: 24.07.19 14:41. Заголовок: Легкие линейные Крей..

Легкие линейные Крейсера Французской республики.
По водоизмещению суммарному входят в пределы Вашингтонских и Лондонских соглашений.
Предназначены для противодействия итальянским, японским и немецким кораблям и класса ЛнКР и ТКР/КармЛК.

аи Дюнкерк-2 ЛГ, аи Франция аи ЛгЛнКР laid down 1932

Displacement:
17 051 t light; 18 118 t standard; 19 576 t normal; 20 742 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (597,43 ft / 574,15 ft) x 85,30 ft x (26,25 / 27,41 ft) (182,10 m / 175,00 m) x 26,00 m x (8,00 / 8,36 m) Armament: 4 - 15,00" / 381 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 701,89lbs / 771,96kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1932 Model 1 x 4-gun mount on centreline, forward deck aft 12 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1932 Model 1 x 4-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 12 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 8 486 lbs / 3 849 kg Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 110,23 lbs / 50,00 kg Depth Charges + 8 reloads - 0,492 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 10,2" / 260 mm 285,43 ft / 87,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 4,72" / 120 mm 272,31 ft / 83,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 76% of normal length Main Belt inclined 17,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,0" / 280 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 11,0" / 280 mm 2nd: 5,08" / 129 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 3rd: 0,79" / 20 mm 0,39" / 10 mm 0,79" / 20 mm - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 3,54" / 90 mm Forecastle: 1,57" / 40 mm Quarter deck: 2,36" / 60 mm - Conning towers: Forward 10,24" / 260 mm, Aft 0,79" / 20 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 78 400 shp / 58 486 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 6 600nm at 15,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 2 624 tons Complement: 826 - 1 075 Cost: £7,703 million / $30,813 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 821 tons, 9,3% - Guns: 1 821 tons, 9,3% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 5 774 tons, 29,5% - Belts: 2 392 tons, 12,2% - Armament: 1 056 tons, 5,4% - Armour Deck: 2 154 tons, 11,0% - Conning Towers: 173 tons, 0,9% Machinery: 2 314 tons, 11,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 996 tons, 35,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 580 tons, 13,2% Miscellaneous weights: 90 tons, 0,5% - Hull below water: 60 tons - Hull above water: 20 tons - On freeboard deck: 10 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 26 612 lbs / 12 071 Kg = 15,8 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 3,1 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22 Metacentric height 5,7 ft / 1,7 m Roll period: 15,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,54 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, an extended bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,533 / 0,541 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,73 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 28,16 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Forward deck: 33,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 36,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 21,57 ft / 6,57 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 164,1% Waterplane Area: 35 010 Square feet or 3 252 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109% Structure weight / hull surface area: 159 lbs/sq ft or 774 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,85 - Longitudinal: 1,95 - Overall: 0,92 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Дюнкерк, Страсбург, Верден, Брест. Проект требует шлифовки. применение 4-х орудийные башни в проекте носит экспериментальный характер, на Страсбурге экспериментальные 152-мм универсального действия.
3-6 автожиров (бипланная схема,1,8-2,6 т, 2х600 л.с., 250 км-ч, 4-6 часов полета, высота - до 3000 м, 2 13-мм носовых пулемета, до 20-400 кг бомбовая нагрузка.) в кормовом авиаотсеке. М.б. с катапультой.

М.б даже ГК до 406-мм поднять в АИ и СК уменьшить к 138-мм?

 Отправлено: 25.07.19 17:29. Заголовок: АИ предположение по ..

АИ предположение по развитию французской артиллерии, кого заинтересует - покритикует :-))

По мотивам "утиверсальной тяжелой артиллерии в 138-152 мм, м.б. что-то (шпионы) из разработок англичанов и германцев. Примерные схемы стабилизации - от голландцев и итальянцев. М.б. и собственная система стабилизации, из Марселя.

Основное предложение: замок-досылатель поршневого типа, при досылании за снарядом закладывается в лоток и заряд ( между направляющими арками-собственно досылателя снаряда, поскольку меньше по весу и объёму - технически решаемо, наверное.) и далее замок задвигается и поворотом запирает камору. Ожидаемая скорострельность - до 6-12 выстрелов в мин. Для тяжелых систем 12-16 дм аи - скорострельность до 3-6 в мин. Угол заряжания становится малоактуальным... - ???

 Отправлено: 10.12.19 11:58. Заголовок: АИ супер-Фантаск 5х..

АИ супер-Фантаск

5х2 138, 1х3 ТА, 36 уз, борт, рубка, щиты - 12, палуба 12-24 (карапас-7).

аи Фантаск, аи Франция аи лидер laid down 1929

Displacement:
3 233 t light; 3 377 t standard; 3 532 t normal; 3 656 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (449,71 ft / 433,07 ft) x 39,37 ft x (16,40 / 16,79 ft) (137,07 m / 132,00 m) x 12,00 m x (5,00 / 5,12 m) Armament: 10 - 5,43" / 138 mm 45,0 cal guns - 80,87lbs / 36,68kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1929 Model 3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 1 raised mount aft 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1929 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 821 lbs / 372 kg Main Torpedoes 3 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,512 t each, 4,537 t total In 1 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 99,21 lbs / 45,00 kg Depth Charges + 8 reloads - 0,443 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 105% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,47" / 12 mm 0,47" / 12 mm 2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,94" / 24 mm Forecastle: 0,47" / 12 mm Quarter deck: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 67 721 shp / 50 520 Kw = 36,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 279 tons Complement: 228 - 297 Cost: £1,674 million / $6,697 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 153 tons, 4,3% - Guns: 143 tons, 4,1% - Weapons: 10 tons, 0,3% Armour: 262 tons, 7,4% - Belts: 55 tons, 1,6% - Armament: 22 tons, 0,6% - Armour Deck: 182 tons, 5,1% - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 901 tons, 53,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 917 tons, 26,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 299 tons, 8,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 958 lbs / 434 Kg = 11,9 x 5,4 " / 138 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,37 Metacentric height 2,1 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 11,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,36 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,442 / 0,447 Length to Beam Ratio: 11,00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,74 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,26 ft / 5,26 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 185,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137,6% Waterplane Area: 11 223 Square feet or 1 043 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 74% Structure weight / hull surface area: 45 lbs/sq ft or 220 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,57 - Longitudinal: 1,93 - Overall: 0,65 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

 Отправлено: 10.12.19 12:55. Заголовок: Это уже какой-то лёг..

Это уже какой-то лёгкий крейсер получается.

 Отправлено: 09.01.20 22:27. Заголовок: Экономный 600 (700) ..

Экономный 600 (700) т МН:

laid down 1926

Displacement:
607 t light; 633 t standard; 667 t normal; 695 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (246,46 ft / 236,22 ft) x 21,65 ft x (9,84 / 10,12 ft) (75,12 m / 72,00 m) x 6,60 m x (3,00 / 3,09 m) Armament: 4 - 3,94" / 100 mm 42,0 cal guns - 29,59lbs / 13,42kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1926 Model 2 x Twin mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 950 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1926 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring Weight of broadside 125 lbs / 57 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 18,1" / 460 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,010 t each, 6,059 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 99,21 lbs / 45,00 kg Depth Charges + 14 reloads - 0,709 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - 3rd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 9 877 shp / 7 369 Kw = 27,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 62 tons Complement: 65 - 85 Cost: £0,241 million / $0,966 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 33 tons, 4,9% - Guns: 20 tons, 2,9% - Weapons: 13 tons, 1,9% Armour: 5 tons, 0,7% - Armament: 4 tons, 0,6% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 306 tons, 45,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 263 tons, 39,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 61 tons, 9,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 351 lbs / 159 Kg = 3,2 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16 Metacentric height 0,7 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 11,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,38 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,464 / 0,470 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,91 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,50 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 22,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 48,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 10,45 ft / 3,19 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 157,8% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 72,7% Waterplane Area: 3 430 Square feet or 319 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96% Structure weight / hull surface area: 37 lbs/sq ft or 178 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,86 - Longitudinal: 3,92 - Overall: 1,00 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room

 Отправлено: 10.01.20 20:42. Заголовок: Ещё более "эконо..

Ещё более "экономный" МН (в т.ч. для ЧМ и Фин. залива)

laid down 1930

Displacement:
404 t light; 419 t standard; 445 t normal; 465 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (231,70 ft / 219,82 ft) x 19,69 ft x (6,56 / 6,79 ft) (70,62 m / 67,00 m) x 6,00 m x (2,00 / 2,07 m) Armament: 2 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 3 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 66 lbs / 30 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 18,1" / 460 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,026 t each, 6,155 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 99,21 lbs / 45,00 kg Depth Charges + 14 reloads - 0,709 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,28" / 7 mm - - 2nd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 7 145 shp / 5 330 Kw = 26,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 47 tons Complement: 47 - 62 Cost: £0,194 million / $0,776 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 19 tons, 4,4% - Guns: 11 tons, 2,4% - Weapons: 9 tons, 1,9% Armour: 4 tons, 0,9% - Armament: 3 tons, 0,8% - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 207 tons, 46,5% Hull, fittings & equipment: 174 tons, 39,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 40 tons, 9,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 239 lbs / 108 Kg = 7,8 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13 Metacentric height 0,6 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 11,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,33 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,12 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,554 Length to Beam Ratio: 11,17 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 16,70 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 68 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 4,92 ft / 1,50 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 44,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 10,65 ft / 3,25 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 158,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120,3% Waterplane Area: 3 138 Square feet or 292 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95% Structure weight / hull surface area: 26 lbs/sq ft or 127 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,70 - Longitudinal: 3,99 - Overall: 0,83 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

и "увеличенный экономный" - как ПВО или просто МН с приветом "Томодзуру" :-), хотя, предполагаю, что "Увел. эконом" - более удачный проект:

laid down 1930

Displacement:
547 t light; 570 t standard; 602 t normal; 627 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (233,09 ft / 219,82 ft) x 21,33 ft x (8,20 / 8,46 ft) (71,05 m / 67,00 m) x 6,50 m x (2,50 / 2,58 m) Armament: 4 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 2 x Twin mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 3 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 128 lbs / 58 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 18,1" / 460 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,026 t each, 6,155 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 99,21 lbs / 45,00 kg Depth Charges + 14 reloads - 0,709 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,28" / 7 mm - - 2nd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 8 682 shp / 6 477 Kw = 26,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 57 tons Complement: 59 - 78 Cost: £0,260 million / $1,042 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 26 tons, 4,3% - Guns: 17 tons, 2,9% - Weapons: 9 tons, 1,4% Armour: 4 tons, 0,6% - Armament: 3 tons, 0,6% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 263 tons, 43,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 255 tons, 42,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 55 tons, 9,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 365 lbs / 166 Kg = 12,0 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13 Metacentric height 0,6 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 11,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,45 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,02 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,553 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,31 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 16,79 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 4,92 ft / 1,50 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 28,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 42,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,30 ft / 3,45 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 151,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105,8% Waterplane Area: 3 399 Square feet or 316 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102% Structure weight / hull surface area: 35 lbs/sq ft or 171 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,85 - Longitudinal: 5,18 - Overall: 1,02 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room

 Отправлено: 18.07.20 13:10. Заголовок: Несколько "разма..

Несколько "размазанное"предположение по аи: как к 1 мв, так и к 20-30-м гг.
Поект "для проверки возможностей 4-орудийных башен и установок".
Ретирадное линейно-возвышенное расположение двух башен ГК 8 -194-мм (анти-Дюнкерк) и 5 спаренных установок 138-мм (башнеподобные щиты) - носовая и побортно, на разных уровнях с более нижней кормовой парой за срезом полубака, и 6-12 65-мм. 2х2 та. Бронирование: борт, лоб башен, барбеты и рубка - 120 мм; палуба, ск, и др. - 30-60-90 мм.
Турбины (до 40 000 л.с.) , 3 винта -26 уз. Дальность на 12 уз - 2400 миль. 9500-11000 т.

P.S. "итальянский" как и "французский варианты м.б. версиями ЛнКР, ТКР или даже ЛгКр.

И возможный ответ итальянцев (интерес проявил Сиам):
2х3 254 (305) по схеме "Дандоло" - в центре, диагонально. СК: а) 6-10х1 6"-4,7"/ по 5 в нос-корму; б) 4-6х2, по 2-3 в нос-корму. 4х2 та, 12-16 64-76 мм. В 30-е могут поставить 4-8х2 1000-мм Минизини.
2 винта, турбины - до 50-60 000 л.с. - 28-30 уз, дальность 14 уз - 2800 миль.
Борт, башни, барбеты - 180. Палуба и пр. - 20-80 мм. 10000-12000 т.

 Отправлено: 18.07.20 21:18. Заголовок: Сомневаюсь, что чист..

Сомневаюсь, что чистый ретирадник будут делать. Или они заранее убегать собираются? :)

 Отправлено: 19.07.20 20:47. Заголовок: GromoBoy пишет: Сом..

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Сомневаюсь, что чистый ретирадник будут делать. Или они заранее убегать собираются?

Углы обстрела достаточно велики: до 300-330 градусов, что позволяет держать многие цели в секторе при минимальном маневрировании. Неплохо и при отходе от превосходящих сил в разведке или удерживать головные корабли неприятельского отряда при "охвате".
+ разгрузка носовой части с улучшением мореходности.

Как могли бы измениться "вашингтонцы", в т.ч. "Хаукинсы" (Хокинсы ) ) и Индомитейблы с Блюхером?
Схемы нарисую позднее, после отпуска. :-)

 Отправлено: 15.01.21 12:46. Заголовок: По "Дюнкеру"..

По "Дюнкеру" в версии аи: на место центральной кормовой 4х130\55 ставим 1х2 330\50, убираем все 130-мм, устанавливаем 6-8х2 100\45 Мод31-37. Всего 10 330.

P.S.: и м.б. ретирадный формат, но выглядит классика предпочтительней.

 Отправлено: 16.01.21 16:50. Заголовок: Дюнкерк в принципе н..

Дюнкерк в принципе неплохой ЛК, и догружать его кормовой башней ГК не стоит (развесовка полетит к чортям). А от 4-орудийных 130-мм установок стоит отказаться точно - тяжелые они и как ПМК, и как универсалки. Так что да, надо менять на спаренные 100-мм и не 6-8 установок, а все 10 (по 4 - побортно, 2 в корме линейно-возвышенно).

 Отправлено: 20.05.22 08:50. Заголовок: аи-проект супер "..

аи-проект супер "контрторпиллера"-лидера.
"Де Брассье" Франция , laid down 1932, Displacement: 2 543 t light; 2 679 t standard; 2 773 t normal; 2 848 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (489,03 ft / 472,44 ft) x 31,50 ft x (13,12 / 13,39 ft) (149,06 m / 144,00 m) x 9,60 m x (4,00 / 4,08 m) Armament: 12 - 5,43" / 138 mm 44,0 cal guns - 79,07lbs / 35,87kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 8 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 953 lbs / 432 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,331 t each, 10,644 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 97,00 lbs / 44,00 kg Depth Charges + 12 reloads - 0,606 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 107% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,31" / 8 mm - 2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,31" / 8 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 47 636 shp / 35 536 Kw = 34,00 kts Range 1 600nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 169 tons Complement: 190 - 248 Cost: £1,435 million / $5,739 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 195 tons, 7,0% - Guns: 173 tons, 6,2% - Weapons: 22 tons, 0,8% Armour: 61 tons, 2,2% - Belts: 40 tons, 1,4% - Armament: 20 tons, 0,7% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,0% Machinery: 1 302 tons, 47,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 985 tons, 35,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 230 tons, 8,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 1 098 lbs / 498 Kg = 13,7 x 5,4 " / 138 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09 Metacentric height 1,0 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 12,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,00 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,24 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,497 / 0,500 Length to Beam Ratio: 15,00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,96 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 42,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 28,00%, 12,14 ft / 3,70 m, 12,14 ft / 3,70 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 12,14 ft / 3,70 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,89 ft / 4,54 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 168,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130,5% Waterplane Area: 10 124 Square feet or 941 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84% Structure weight / hull surface area: 52 lbs/sq ft or 252 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,78 - Longitudinal: 1,72 - Overall: 0,84 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

 Отправлено: 14.06.22 16:47. Заголовок: Версии аи-проектов к..

Версии аи-проектов контр-торпиллеров:
1. 6х1 130-138-164 + 4х2 та по 2 та побортно, 6х1 (х2) 25-37, 4х1 \ 4х2\ 76 (или 100);
2. 3х2 -//- или 4х2 ... без носовой возвышенной ... две трубы - 6-7 котлов -2 тзту.

При 4х2 ГК возможно бронирование в 18-мм: пояс погреба-кму, подачи и открытые башнеподобные щиты, рубка и карапасная палуба.
РЛС

 Отправлено: 15.06.22 18:32. Заголовок: аи-развитие авианосц..

аи-развитие авианосцев Франции:
В ходе 1 мировой войны ослабление экономики Франции привело к пониманию невозможности содержания большого флота. Представители (???) новой волны "молодой школы" в 20-21 гг. выдвинули концепцию создания лёкгих быстроходных ЛК и авианосцев в сопровождении Т и Лг КР с контр-миноносцами. Прибрежные и эскортные силы включали в себя ЛгКР (из состава океанских эскадр), лидеры/Контр-миноносцы, ПЛ, миноносцы/эсминцы, авизо, сторожевые/патрульные (корветы) корабли и ТЩ-охотники за ПЛ. КЛ - ?
+ Береговая авиация и береговые службы.
Для колониальных эскадр или для разведки и ПЛО боевых эскадр предназначались Гидроавиатранспорта.

Вашингтонские аи-соглашения разрешили Франции иметь 3 ЛК ( + 3 к постройке с 1933 года по 31000 т), 6 авианосцев (3 из которых на основе корпусов ЛК типа Нормандия), 3 больших авиатранспорта (развитие типа "Командан Тест". Вне соглашения осталась возможность строить малые гидроавиатранспорты на основе торговых проектов.

Какими могли бы быть проекты авианесущих кораблей?
Нормандии - практически полностью перестраиваются.

 Отправлено: 15.06.22 21:32. Заголовок: В. В. Иванов - Кораб..

В. В. Иванов - Корабли Второй Мировой войны - ВМС Франции
http://wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/MK/2004_11/index.htm

 Отправлено: 16.06.22 17:03. Заголовок: Дело в том что франц..

Дело в том что французское кораблестроение во второй половине 1930-х откровенно заглохло.
Кроме линкоров и контр-торпиллеров они вообще ничего не строили.

Авианесущий линейный крейсер - 18000 тонн / 23500 тонн, силовая - 95 тысяч л.с. (улучшенная от Алжира)
вооружение - 12 тяжелых гидросамолётов, 12 истребителей, 12 торпедоносцев
4х1х164-мм универсальных пушек, 4х2х90-мм пушки и 6х2х37-мм автоматов

Дополняет новые линейные корабли из расчёта один авианесущий крейсер на 2 линкора. Можно строить два разных - по-меньше для Дюнкерков и по-больше для Ришелье и Жан Бара.

Легкий крейсер - истребитель немецких и итальянских суперэсминцев - 5000 тонн - 2х3х164-мм пушки в носовой части, мощнейшая силовая,
мощная бронезащита, 4х2х90-мм пушки, 4х2х37-мм
Дополняет шестерки суперэсминцев, является флагманским кораблем соединения.

Колониальное Авизо 1 класса - дизельное, 19 узлов, 1200 тонн, 1х164-мм и 2х1х90-мм пуши + 2х2х37-мм автомата

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Дело в том что французское кораблестроение во второй половине 1930-х откровенно

получило мощнейший стимул с приходом в конце 20-х на пост морского министра Пана директора, удерживавшего положение независимо от политических конъюнктур.

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Авианесущий линейный крейсер - 18000 тонн

из корпусов Нормандий? Беарн м.б. оставить "классическим историческим" АВ?

По колониальному авизо - значительное совпадение мнений:
Сайгон, 6 ед, laid down 1933, длинный полубак, 75-мм по бортам за срезом. На корме ангар для 3 гидросамолётов. 3 138-мм (1 в носу, 2 линейно в конце полубака), 4 37-мм и 4 13-мм по бортам. 2 та в носу\под палубой. Пояс 18 мм 40х2 м + палуба 9-12 мм, щиты 5-7 мм.

Displacement:
1 155 t light; 1 207 t standard; 1 263 t normal; 1 309 t full load,

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (254,67 ft / 242,78 ft) x 29,53 ft x (13,12 / 13,46 ft) (77,62 m / 74,00 m) x 9,00 m x (4,00 / 4,10 m) Armament: 3 - 5,43" / 138 mm 40,0 cal guns - 76,85lbs / 34,86kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 2 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,98lbs / 5,89kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 263 lbs / 119 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m torpedoes - 0,932 t each, 1,863 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 92,59 lbs / 42,00 kg Depth Charges + 18 reloads - 0,827 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,71" / 18 mm 131,23 ft / 40,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 83% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,28" / 7 mm - - 2nd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - 3rd: 0,20" / 5 mm - - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,35" / 9 mm Forecastle: 0,00" / 0 mm Quarter deck: 0,35" / 9 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Diesel Internal combustion motors, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 3 393 shp / 2 531 Kw = 18,00 kts Range 2 400nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 102 tons Complement: 105 - 137 Cost: £0,311 million / $1,245 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 47 tons, 3,7% - Guns: 43 tons, 3,4% - Weapons: 3 tons, 0,3% Armour: 61 tons, 4,8% - Belts: 26 tons, 2,1% - Armament: 5 tons, 0,4% - Armour Deck: 28 tons, 2,2% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 99 tons, 7,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 939 tons, 74,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 108 tons, 8,5% Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 0,8% - Hull below water: 5 tons - Hull above water: 5 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 785 lbs / 1 717 Kg = 47,2 x 5,4 " / 138 mm shells or 2,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,02 Metacentric height 0,8 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 13,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,48 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,87 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,470 / 0,475 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,22 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 15,58 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 54,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 15,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m - Quarter deck: 12,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,80 ft / 3,60 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 37,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97,5% Waterplane Area: 4 650 Square feet or 432 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 333% Structure weight / hull surface area: 107 lbs/sq ft or 522 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 2,10 - Longitudinal: 8,22 - Overall: 2,41 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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получило мощнейший стимул с приходом в конце 20-х на пост морского министра Пана директора, удерживавшего положение независимо от политических конъюнктур.

Ну должна же быть от этих бездарных неудачников хоть какая-то польза.
Французская армия - сборная мелких фашистских холопов - помогали испанским фашистам, финским фашистам, и немецким фашистам.
Абсолютные ничтожества. Пускай хотя бы англичанам врежут. Утопят "Арк Роял" и например "Резолюшн" под Мерс-эль-Кебиром.
И битва шести французских контр-миноносцев против английских эсминцев была бы тоже очень интересной темой

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из корпусов Нормандий? Беарн м.б. оставить "классическим историческим" АВ?

Нет. Нормандия это наглухо устаревшие дрова с паровыми машинами. А у нас будет нормальный быстроходный авианосец с модным усиленным вооружением.
Можно вспомнить про французские лайнеры 1930-х годов постройки и отталкиваться сразу от них.
Normandie, Île-de-France, Paris. Опять же Юркевич. Чё он опять нифига не делает

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из корпусов Нормандий?

Ага. Только не "из", а на основе корпуса Той Самой "Нормандии" (которую в Нью-Йорке сначала сожгли, потом утопили. Ну, вы поняли, о какой "Нормандии" речь)... А старые кузова линкоров типа "Норманди" с их поршневыми машинами - порезать и в мартеновские печи, на переплавку. И даже "Беарн" туда же отправить, а не "лепить горбатого недоавианосца".

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Легкий крейсер - истребитель немецких и итальянских суперэсминцев - 5000 тонн - 2х3х164-мм пушки в носовой части, мощнейшая силовая, мощная бронезащита, 4х2х90-мм пушки, 4х2х37-мм

аи-Монткальм: laid down 1933, Displacement: 4 821 t light; 5 050 t standard; 5 201 t normal; 5 321 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (519,11 ft / 498,69 ft) x 49,21 ft x (15,42 / 15,68 ft) (158,23 m / 152,00 m) x 15,00 m x (4,70 / 4,78 m) Armament: 6 - 6,46" / 164 mm 50,0 cal guns - 142,48lbs / 64,63kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 12 - 3,54" / 90,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 22,43lbs / 10,18kg shells, 350 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 2 raised mounts - superfiring 12 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 150 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 1 144 lbs / 519 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m torpedoes - 0,932 t each, 5,590 t total In 3 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 419,95 ft / 128,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 52,49 ft / 16,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 26,25 ft / 8,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 130% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 6,30" / 160 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm 0,39" / 10 mm - 3rd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,94" / 24 mm Forecastle: 0,47" / 12 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,18" / 30 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 59 985 shp / 44 749 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 271 tons Complement: 306 - 398 Cost: £2,448 million / $9,790 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 342 tons, 6,6% - Guns: 331 tons, 6,4% - Weapons: 11 tons, 0,2% Armour: 1 000 tons, 19,2% - Belts: 502 tons, 9,7% - Armament: 223 tons, 4,3% - Armour Deck: 267 tons, 5,1% - Conning Tower: 8 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 748 tons, 33,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 732 tons, 33,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 380 tons, 7,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 267 lbs / 1 482 Kg = 24,3 x 6,5 " / 164 mm shells or 1,1 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11 Metacentric height 2,1 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 14,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,61 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,481 / 0,484 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,13 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,33 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 24,93 ft / 7,60 m, 18,37 ft / 5,60 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 18,37 ft / 5,60 m, 18,37 ft / 5,60 m - Aft deck: 25,00%, 15,09 ft / 4,60 m, 15,09 ft / 4,60 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 15,09 ft / 4,60 m, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m - Average freeboard: 17,77 ft / 5,42 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 168,8% Waterplane Area: 16 075 Square feet or 1 493 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95% Structure weight / hull surface area: 72 lbs/sq ft or 352 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,73 - Longitudinal: 1,31 - Overall: 0,78 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

на "мощнейшую силовую" духу не хватило...

аи-микроДюнкерк: laid down 1936, Displacement: 5 085 t light; 5 389 t standard; 5 547 t normal; 5 674 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (521,06 ft / 498,69 ft) x 52,49 ft x (15,42 / 15,66 ft) (158,82 m / 152,00 m) x 16,00 m x (4,70 / 4,77 m) Armament: 8 - 6,46" / 164 mm 50,0 cal guns - 142,48lbs / 64,63kg shells, 220 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1936 Model 2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 12 - 3,54" / 90,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 22,43lbs / 10,18kg shells, 350 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 2 raised mounts - superfiring 12 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 150 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 1 429 lbs / 648 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m torpedoes - 0,932 t each, 5,590 t total In 3 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 387,14 ft / 118,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 104,99 ft / 32,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 119% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 6,30" / 160 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm 0,39" / 10 mm - 3rd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,94" / 24 mm Forecastle: 0,47" / 12 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,18" / 30 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 57 926 shp / 43 213 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 285 tons Complement: 320 - 417 Cost: £2,846 million / $11,383 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 432 tons, 7,8% - Guns: 420 tons, 7,6% - Weapons: 11 tons, 0,2% Armour: 1 055 tons, 19,0% - Belts: 496 tons, 8,9% - Armament: 260 tons, 4,7% - Armour Deck: 291 tons, 5,3% - Conning Tower: 8 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 625 tons, 29,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 973 tons, 35,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 462 tons, 8,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 4 296 lbs / 1 948 Kg = 31,9 x 6,5 " / 164 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09 Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 14,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,70 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,10 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,481 / 0,485 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,50 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,05 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 20,67 ft / 6,30 m - Forward deck: 48,00%, 20,67 ft / 6,30 m, 20,67 ft / 6,30 m - Aft deck: 21,00%, 15,09 ft / 4,60 m, 15,09 ft / 4,60 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 15,09 ft / 4,60 m, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m - Average freeboard: 19,58 ft / 5,97 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 118,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 194,9% Waterplane Area: 17 552 Square feet or 1 631 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99% Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 375 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,71 - Longitudinal: 1,62 - Overall: 0,77 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

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Нет. Нормандия это наглухо устаревшие дрова с паровыми машинами

Нет...

Снимаем броню. ставим 20-30 мм + верхняя палуба. Удлиняем... + усиливаем птз, новые машины\турбины -ТЗА. 12-18 90-мм, 26-28 уз, 38 самолётов /19торп-разв, 19 ИБ).Или 48-60 аэроплановЪ.

Нет необходимости ломать новые корпуса.

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Ну должна же быть от этих бездарных неудачников хоть какая-то польза. Французская армия - сборная мелких фашистских холопов - помогали испанским фашистам, финским фашистам, и немецким фашистам. Абсолютные ничтожества.

Эт точно. Но - англы пока союзники, хотя и чуваки на "м", но жалко - полезны. Хотя и расслабились против "второсортных": если БЫ франки правильно поставили БЫ ПЛ у баз с поддержкой и разведкой авиацией, то Мерс-эль Кебир ипр. могли стать иными...

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на "мощнейшую силовую" духу не хватило...

У вас есть Могадор 1934 года закладки. 92 тысячи лошадиных сил и 1042,4 тонн массе силовой.
Вот от этого и можно танцевать

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Вот от этого и можно танцевать

Могадор - дорого и в т.ч. эксплуатационно. Но возможно.

каким мог бы стать лёгкий Авианосец на основе проектов Примоге, ламот Пике и суффрена\Клебера? Если взять в основу Аргус и Виндиктив.

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Немного модернизированный проект "Дюге Трюэна": меньше скорость, больше брони - laid down 1923, Displacement: 5 989 t light; 6 203 t standard; 6 593 t normal; 6 904 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (581,67 ft / 567,59 ft) x 54,46 ft x (15,75 / 16,29 ft) (177,29 m / 173,00 m) x 16,60 m x (4,80 / 4,97 m) Armament: 8 - 6,10" / 155 mm 50,0 cal guns - 120,29lbs / 54,56kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1923 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 6 - 3,00" /76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 14,00lbs / 5,00kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1923 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 450 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1923 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 969 lbs / 439 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,295 t each, 7,767 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 449,48 ft / 137,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 0,79" / 20 mm 108,27 ft / 33,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 122% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Protected deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,34" / 34 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 1,10" / 28 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,57" / 40 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 65 319 shp / 48 728 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 4 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 702 tons Complement: 365 - 475 Cost: £1,794 million / $7,175 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 322 tons, 4,9% - Guns: 306 tons, 4,6% - Weapons: 16 tons, 0,2% Armour: 852 tons, 12,9% - Belts: 261 tons, 4,0% - Armament: 99 tons, 1,5% - Armour Deck: 480 tons, 7,3% - Conning Tower: 12 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 2 183 tons, 33,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 632 tons, 39,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 603 tons, 9,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 5 963 lbs / 2 705 Kg = 52,5 x 6,1 " / 155 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,23 Metacentric height 2,9 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 13,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,33 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,02 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,474 / 0,480 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,42 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,82 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Forward deck: 42,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Aft deck: 25,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,91 ft / 5,16 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 166,9% Waterplane Area: 20 123 Square feet or 1 869 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107% Structure weight / hull surface area: 91 lbs/sq ft or 446 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,99 - Longitudinal: 1,10 - Overall: 1,00 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Вторая серия лёгких крейсеров Франции "Ла Галисоньер" 4 ед, 12 155_мм/50, 32 уз - laid down 1927, Displacement: 6 780 t light; 7 051 t standard; 7 468 t normal; 7 801 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (598,08 ft / 583,99 ft) x 59,06 ft x (16,40 / 16,92 ft) (182,29 m / 178,00 m) x 18,00 m x (5,00 / 5,16 m) Armament: 12 - 6,10" / 155 mm 50,0 cal guns - 120,29lbs / 54,56kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1927 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 6 -3,00" /76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 14,00lbs /5,00kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1927 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 450 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1927 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 1 450 lbs / 658 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,295 t each, 7,767 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,76" / 70 mm 410,11 ft / 125,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 0,79" / 20 mm 131,23 ft / 40,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 42,65 ft / 13,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 108% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Protected deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,34" / 34 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 1,10" / 28 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 64 647 shp / 48 227 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 4 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 751 tons Complement: 401 - 522 Cost: £2,454 million / $9,816 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 474 tons, 6,3% - Guns: 459 tons, 6,1% - Weapons: 16 tons, 0,2% Armour: 1 163 tons, 15,6% - Belts: 413 tons, 5,5% - Armament: 187 tons, 2,5% - Armour Deck: 543 tons, 7,3% - Conning Tower: 19 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 2 041 tons, 27,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 102 tons, 41,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 688 tons, 9,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 8 575 lbs / 3 890 Kg = 75,5 x 6,1 " / 155 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,18 Metacentric height 3,1 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 14,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,40 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,462 / 0,468 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,89 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,01 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 42,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Aft deck: 25,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,43 ft / 5,31 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 177,5% Waterplane Area: 22 740 Square feet or 2 113 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112% Structure weight / hull surface area: 101 lbs/sq ft or 491 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,98 - Longitudinal: 1,15 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

4 ТКр типа "Сюффрен" с 12 8", 12 76 и 8 37 мм, пояс 135 мм - laid down 1932

Displacement:
9 270 t light; 9 762 t standard; 10 251 t normal; 10 642 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (663,69 ft / 649,61 ft) x 62,34 ft x (18,04 / 18,54 ft) (202,29 m / 198,00 m) x 19,00 m x (5,50 / 5,65 m) Armament: 12 - 7,99" / 203 mm 50,0 cal guns - 270,21lbs / 122,57kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1932 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 450 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 3 417 lbs / 1 550 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,295 t each, 7,767 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 5,31" / 135 mm 400,26 ft / 122,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 0,71" / 18 mm 131,23 ft / 40,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 118,11 ft / 36,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 95% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 5,51" / 140 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 5,51" / 140 mm 2nd: 0,31" / 8 mm - - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Protected deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,34" / 34 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 1,10" / 28 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 67 716 shp / 50 516 Kw = 31,00 kts Range 4 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 880 tons Complement: 509 - 662 Cost: £4,323 million / $17,293 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 062 tons, 10,4% - Guns: 1 046 tons, 10,2% - Weapons: 16 tons, 0,2% Armour: 1 960 tons, 19,1% - Belts: 753 tons, 7,3% - Armament: 517 tons, 5,0% - Armour Deck: 654 tons, 6,4% - Conning Tower: 36 tons, 0,4% Machinery: 1 999 tons, 19,5% Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 249 tons, 41,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 981 tons, 9,6% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 12 492 lbs / 5 666 Kg = 48,9 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,04 Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 16,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,82 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,05 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,491 / 0,496 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,42 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 27,31 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 42,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Aft deck: 25,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,43 ft / 5,31 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,8% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 169,0% Waterplane Area: 27 399 Square feet or 2 545 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111% Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 594 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,99 - Longitudinal: 1,03 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Следующие 4 ТКР в 1937 году были перевооружены на 4х2 240/45 с добавлением булей и небольшой переделкой носовой части корпуса. Все получили в начале 1939 г РЛС.
На всех кораблях применялась практически однотипная ДСУ с 8 ПК и 2 ТЗА.

"Алжир": laid down 1936, Displacement: 11 323 t light; 11 871 t standard; 12 409 t normal; 12 839 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (664,63 ft / 649,61 ft) x 62,34 ft (Bulges 75,46 ft) x (18,04 / 18,59 ft) (202,58 m / 198,00 m) x 19,00 m (Bulges 23,00 m) x (5,50 / 5,67 m) Armament: 8 - 9,45" / 240 mm 45,0 cal guns - 425,39lbs / 192,95kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1936 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 450 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 3 578 lbs / 1 623 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,295 t each, 7,767 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 5,31" / 135 mm 400,26 ft / 122,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 0,71" / 18 mm 131,23 ft / 40,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 118,11 ft / 36,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 95% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 5,51" / 140 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 5,51" / 140 mm 2nd: 0,31" / 8 mm - - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Protected deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,34" / 34 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 1,10" / 28 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 68 285 shp / 50 940 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 4 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 967 tons Complement: 587 - 764 Cost: £5,230 million / $20,919 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 998 tons, 8,0% - Guns: 983 tons, 7,9% - Weapons: 16 tons, 0,1% Armour: 1 955 tons, 15,8% - Belts: 753 tons, 6,1% - Armament: 507 tons, 4,1% - Armour Deck: 654 tons, 5,3% - Conning Tower: 41 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 916 tons, 15,4% Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 453 tons, 52,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 086 tons, 8,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 18 718 lbs / 8 490 Kg = 44,4 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 2,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19 Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 17,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,41 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,491 / 0,493 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,61 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 27,55 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 42,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 25,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 18,37 ft / 5,60 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 75,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151,0% Waterplane Area: 27 399 Square feet or 2 545 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 139% Structure weight / hull surface area: 166 lbs/sq ft or 809 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,29 - Longitudinal: 1,36 - Overall: 1,30 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

"Дюнкерки" в постройке с 1932 года с 2х4 \2х4, 1х2 кормовая\ 340-мм.
ЛК типа "Жан Бар" в постройке с 1934 года с 2х4 406-мм.

 Отправлено: 06.07.22 18:09. Заголовок: von Echenbach пишет:..

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4 ТКр типа "Сюффрен"

"Мишель де Бош", "Анри де Бил", "Жан де Жавю" и "Пьер де Генерат" - 4 брата-акробата...

 Отправлено: 06.07.22 18:15. Заголовок: аи Авиакрейсера типа..

аи Авиакрейсера типа "Грасс", 3 ед, 2х3 155/50 в корме, 8 76, 36 самолётов \12 ИБ, 18 торп-разв. Возможно гидро-самолёты, 2 катапульты в носу, подъёмник у среза полубака с кранами. Трубы разнесены, мостик у кормовой артгруппы, рубка /ходовые системы в носу под катапультной палубой.
- laid down 1932

Displacement:
6 020 t light; 6 225 t standard; 6 734 t normal; 7 142 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (595,74 ft / 580,71 ft) x 52,49 ft x (15,75 / 16,44 ft) (181,58 m / 177,00 m) x 16,00 m x (4,80 / 5,01 m) Armament: 6 - 6,10" / 155 mm 50,0 cal guns - 120,29lbs / 54,56kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1932 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 8 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 450 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck forward Weight of broadside 836 lbs / 379 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 400,26 ft / 122,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 0,71" / 18 mm 131,23 ft / 40,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 49,21 ft / 15,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 106% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 2nd: 0,31" / 8 mm - - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Protected deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,94" / 24 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 0,94" / 24 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 61 161 shp / 45 626 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 5 600nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 917 tons Complement: 371 - 483 Cost: £2,477 million / $9,909 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 252 tons, 3,7% - Guns: 252 tons, 3,7% Armour: 702 tons, 10,4% - Belts: 242 tons, 3,6% - Armament: 81 tons, 1,2% - Armour Deck: 361 tons, 5,4% - Conning Tower: 18 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 805 tons, 26,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 970 tons, 44,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 715 tons, 10,6% Miscellaneous weights: 290 tons, 4,3% - Hull below water: 180 tons - Hull above water: 70 tons - On freeboard deck: 30 tons - Above deck: 10 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 9 230 lbs / 4 187 Kg = 81,2 x 6,1 " / 155 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09 Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 14,8 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,52 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,44 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,491 / 0,499 Length to Beam Ratio: 11,06 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 25,76 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 48,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 19,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 20,34 ft / 6,20 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 209,5% Waterplane Area: 20 626 Square feet or 1 916 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125% Structure weight / hull surface area: 89 lbs/sq ft or 435 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,94 - Longitudinal: 1,70 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

 Отправлено: 07.07.22 19:50. Заголовок: "Банановозы"..

"Банановозы" - аи всп. гидроавиаТР, официально переоборудованы в 1938, 18 гидросамолётов (какие?), 3+3 ед.:
"Бертье" тип, laid down 1934, Displacement: 3 640 t light; 3 733 t standard; 4 043 t normal; 4 291 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (425,92 ft / 403,54 ft) x 52,49 ft x (13,12 / 13,72 ft) (129,82 m / 123,00 m) x 16,00 m x (4,00 / 4,18 m) Armament: 6 - 3,54" / 90,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 22,43lbs / 10,18kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread 6 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 150 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 145 lbs / 66 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,79" / 20 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 0,79" / 20 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 42,65 ft / 13,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 100% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,31" / 8 mm 0,16" / 4 mm - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,00" / 0 mm, Aft 0,79" / 20 mm Machinery: Diesel Internal combustion motors, Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 2 shafts, 36 436 shp / 27 182 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 4 600nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 558 tons Complement: 253 - 329 Cost: £1,382 million / $5,529 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 30 tons, 0,7% - Guns: 30 tons, 0,7% Armour: 428 tons, 10,6% - Belts: 114 tons, 2,8% - Armament: 6 tons, 0,2% - Armour Deck: 304 tons, 7,5% - Conning Tower: 4 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 048 tons, 25,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 634 tons, 40,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 403 tons, 10,0% Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 12,4% - Hull below water: 400 tons - Hull above water: 80 tons - On freeboard deck: 20 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 7 442 lbs / 3 376 Kg = 68,9 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,37 Metacentric height 3,3 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 12,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,03 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,25 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,509 / 0,517 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,69 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,81 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 52,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 16,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 20,49 ft / 6,24 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 226,6% Waterplane Area: 14 573 Square feet or 1 354 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 131% Structure weight / hull surface area: 69 lbs/sq ft or 337 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,89 - Longitudinal: 2,88 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

 Отправлено: 07.10.22 20:29. Заголовок: аи-проект аи-суперСт..

аи-проект аи-суперСтрвсбург (в состоянии доработки). laid down 1931

Displacement:
23 724 t light; 25 950 t standard; 26 642 t normal; 27 195 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (706,83 ft / 688,98 ft) x 101,71 ft x (26,25 / 26,66 ft) (215,44 m / 210,00 m) x 31,00 m x (8,00 / 8,13 m) Armament: 9 - 15,98" / 406 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2 158,33lbs / 979,00kg shells, 140 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1931 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 40 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1931 Model 20 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 raised mounts 16 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 800 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1931 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 raised mounts 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 4 raised mounts Weight of broadside 20 683 lbs / 9 381 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 10,6" / 270 mm 475,72 ft / 145,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 106% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 13,0" / 330 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 2nd: 0,94" / 24 mm 0,47" / 12 mm - 3rd: 0,31" / 8 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,76" / 70 mm Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm - Conning towers: Forward 8,66" / 220 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 119 292 shp / 88 992 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 3 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 245 tons Complement: 1 042 - 1 355 Cost: £13,610 million / $54,441 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 3 914 tons, 14,7% - Guns: 3 914 tons, 14,7% Armour: 7 191 tons, 27,0% - Belts: 2 335 tons, 8,8% - Armament: 2 449 tons, 9,2% - Armour Deck: 2 241 tons, 8,4% - Conning Tower: 166 tons, 0,6% Machinery: 3 567 tons, 13,4% Hull, fittings & equipment: 9 051 tons, 34,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 918 tons, 11,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 18 984 lbs / 8 611 Kg = 9,3 x 16,0 " / 406 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14 Metacentric height 6,5 ft / 2,0 m Roll period: 16,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,99 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,05 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,507 / 0,510 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,77 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,25 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Forward deck: 48,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Aft deck: 19,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 23,50 ft / 7,16 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 201,5% Waterplane Area: 46 987 Square feet or 4 365 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 85% Structure weight / hull surface area: 167 lbs/sq ft or 814 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,64 - Longitudinal: 1,33 - Overall: 0,69 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

 Отправлено: 13.10.22 17:48. Заголовок: Дополнительная верси..

Дополнительная версия аи-Страсбурга с применением почти реального вооружения исторически существовавшего. Ретирадная схема положения ГК.

laid down 1933, Displacement: 22 350 t light; 23 626 t standard; 24 348 t normal; 24 927 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (726,51 ft / 708,66 ft) x 91,86 ft x (22,97 / 23,40 ft) (221,44 m / 216,00 m) x 28,00 m x (7,00 / 7,13 m) Armament: 8 - 13,39" / 340 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 209,46lbs / 548,60kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 8 - 6,46" / 164 mm 45,0 cal guns - 135,73lbs / 61,57kg shells, 190 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 24 - 3,54" / 90,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 22,43lbs / 10,18kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 12 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 65,0 cal guns - 1,71lbs / 0,78kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 6 raised mounts 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 6 raised mounts Weight of broadside 11 321 lbs / 5 135 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 11,0" / 280 mm 383,86 ft / 117,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 3,15" / 80 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 29,53 ft / 9,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 83% of normal length Main Belt inclined 12,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,0" / 280 mm 2nd: 5,51" / 140 mm 2,76" / 70 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 3rd: 0,71" / 18 mm - - 4th: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1,38" / 35 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,87" / 200 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 113 506 shp / 84 675 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 4 000nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 301 tons Complement: 973 - 1 266 Cost: £10,771 million / $43,085 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 2 466 tons, 10,1% - Guns: 2 466 tons, 10,1% Armour: 5 537 tons, 22,7% - Belts: 2 287 tons, 9,4% - Armament: 1 518 tons, 6,2% - Armour Deck: 1 590 tons, 6,5% - Conning Tower: 143 tons, 0,6% Machinery: 3 307 tons, 13,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 11 040 tons, 45,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 998 tons, 8,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 33 489 lbs / 15 190 Kg = 27,9 x 13,4 " / 340 mm shells or 3,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14 Metacentric height 5,6 ft / 1,7 m Roll period: 16,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,72 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, an extended bulbous bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,570 / 0,573 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,71 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,62 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 39,37 ft / 12,00 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m - Aft deck: 24,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Average freeboard: 22,16 ft / 6,75 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 191,5% Waterplane Area: 46 293 Square feet or 4 301 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111% Structure weight / hull surface area: 193 lbs/sq ft or 942 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,96 - Longitudinal: 1,40 - Overall: 1,00 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

и проект увеличенный с 406-мм ГК: laid down 1933, Displacement: 29 883 t light; 31 740 t standard; 32 685 t normal; 33 442 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (746,20 ft / 728,35 ft) x 104,99 ft x (26,25 / 26,73 ft) (227,44 m / 222,00 m) x 32,00 m x (8,00 / 8,15 m) Armament: 8 - 15,98" / 406 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2 059,37lbs / 934,11kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 8 - 6,46" / 164 mm 45,0 cal guns - 135,73lbs / 61,57kg shells, 190 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 24 - 3,54" / 90,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 22,43lbs / 10,18kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 12 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 65,0 cal guns - 1,71lbs / 0,78kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 6 raised mounts 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 6 raised mounts Weight of broadside 18 120 lbs / 8 219 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 410,11 ft / 125,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 3,15" / 80 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 55,77 ft / 17,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 87% of normal length Main Belt inclined 12,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,0" / 280 mm 2nd: 5,51" / 140 mm 2,76" / 70 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 3rd: 0,71" / 18 mm - - 4th: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1,38" / 35 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,87" / 200 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 136 459 shp / 101 799 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 4 400nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 702 tons Complement: 1 215 - 1 580 Cost: £15,452 million / $61,809 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 3 682 tons, 11,3% - Guns: 3 682 tons, 11,3% Armour: 6 865 tons, 21,0% - Belts: 2 521 tons, 7,7% - Armament: 1 969 tons, 6,0% - Armour Deck: 2 201 tons, 6,7% - Conning Tower: 173 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 3 976 tons, 12,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 15 360 tons, 47,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 803 tons, 8,6% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 42 492 lbs / 19 274 Kg = 20,8 x 16,0 " / 406 mm shells or 3,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16 Metacentric height 7,1 ft / 2,2 m Roll period: 16,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,76 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, an extended bulbous bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,570 / 0,573 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,94 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,99 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 39,37 ft / 12,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Aft deck: 24,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 23,68 ft / 7,22 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 194,1% Waterplane Area: 54 376 Square feet or 5 052 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107% Structure weight / hull surface area: 232 lbs/sq ft or 1 131 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,95 - Longitudinal: 1,67 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room