Отправлено: 30.01.20 09:07. Заголовок: Транспорт-яхта

Исходя из "интересов" и традиций правящих феодало-капиталистов, иметь престижные яхты - показатель статуса: известно о Онасисе-Кеннеди, более ранние - "Слейпнир" Вильгельма и "Штандарт" - "Светлана" - "Алмаз" Романовых-Готторп-Голштейнов.

Если... будут более роскошные и более "приземлённые" планы-проекты. Вполне укладывается в тему по аи-Витте

 Отправлено: 30.01.20 09:20. Заголовок: von Echenbach пишет:..

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более роскошные

Куда роскошнее-то? Океанские лайнеры, чтоль?

 Отправлено: 30.01.20 09:30. Заголовок: Например, по штату о..

Например, по штату отрядов и флотилий-флотов-эскадр внедрить некоторое количество судов (или, раз в ВМФ, то все будут "кораблями" - этто для ценниттеллей жаргона-сленга :-), которых, к нашему удовольствию, коллеги, здесь - на форуме немного) )
вспомогательных или обеспечивающих?

Транспорты и функции: командный (штабной), учебный, снабжения, госпитальный, плав-казарма (дешево при начале строительства порта-базы), плав-база/склад-блокшип(исторически), минный, мастерская. И это наверное не все возможные и необходимые функции.

Можно добавить и роль легкой КЛ-СКР-пограничного корабля.
Хорошая мореходность, умеренная скорость и несильное вооружение. В итоге формируется к 1890-92 гг. три основные типо-проекта: 800, 2000 и 4000 т.

Под Транспорт-яхту подходит 2000 т размер:

Яхта-Тр "Жар-Птица" (Пр№2222ТР-92) : как яхта-стационер-штабной корабль для отдельных отрядов, эскадр, флотов, 4 -6 ед.
laid down 1892

Displacement:
2 000 t light; 2 065 t standard; 2 222 t normal; 2 348 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (278,33 ft / 269,03 ft) x 29,53 ft x (13,12 / 13,76 ft) (84,83 m / 82,00 m) x 9,00 m x (4,00 / 4,19 m) Armament: 4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,19lbs / 1,45kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 238 lbs / 108 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,316 t each, 0,632 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,26" / 32 mm 177,17 ft / 54,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 101% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 559 ihp / 2 655 Kw = 16,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 283 tons (100% coal) Complement: 161 - 210 Cost: £0,171 million / $0,682 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 44 tons, 2,0% - Guns: 43 tons, 1,9% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,1% Armour: 66 tons, 3,0% - Belts: 62 tons, 2,8% - Armament: 2 tons, 0,1% - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 636 tons, 28,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 045 tons, 47,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 222 tons, 10,0% Miscellaneous weights: 210 tons, 9,5% - Hull below water: 200 tons - Hull above water: 10 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 1 937 lbs / 879 Kg = 17,9 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20 Metacentric height 1,1 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 11,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,27 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,746 / 0,752 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,11 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,44 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 12,40 ft / 3,78 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 78,1% Waterplane Area: 6 929 Square feet or 644 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 134% Structure weight / hull surface area: 88 lbs/sq ft or 431 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,75 - Longitudinal: 4,31 - Overall: 1,92 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Бортовой пояс 32-64 м.б. (съемный или вообще не ставиться) и груз принимать есть возможность до 600-800 т. + два руля (или два дополнительных руля в струе винта). Уж о движителях типа аи Фойт-Шнайдера умолчим скромно. :-)

 Отправлено: 30.01.20 09:34. Заголовок: GromoBoy пишет: Куд..

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Куда роскошнее-то?

По отделке. И не выбивают из линии чисто боевые корабли маскировкой словами "крейсер". Т.е. здесь, в данной теме-ситуации тоже можно обозвать "крейсер", но немного другой акцент - именно, как корабль обеспечения. По роскоши - не магнат, поэтому затрудняюсь оценивать :-)
Яхта - всё-таки для более ограниченного контингента, нежели лайнер. И не только размеры и отделка.

 Отправлено: 03.02.20 11:15. Заголовок: Дополнение: экономич..

Дополнение: экономичный парусно-моторный ТР-болиндер (малый ТР-стационер, портовая мотошаланда,"мотобарказ") проект Т№777 - "Верещанин", "Сухов", Гюльчатай" и пр. :-)
В основе - "Эльпидифор". Можно и землечерпалку сделать, и кран поставить на 50-70 т. И броневой пояс установить, и аппарель с пандусом, и МЗ брать. КЛ легкая.

аи ТР-моторный, аи ри аи ТР-болиндер laid down 1902

Displacement:
736 t light; 764 t standard; 777 t normal; 788 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (224,25 ft / 216,54 ft) x 29,53 ft x (7,55 / 7,62 ft) (68,35 m / 66,00 m) x 9,00 m x (2,30 / 2,32 m) Armament: 2 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 4 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck aft 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 - 0,30" / 7,6 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,01lbs / 0,01kg shells, 2 150 per gun Machine guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward 2 raised mounts Weight of broadside 116 lbs / 52 kg Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,35" / 9 mm - - 4th: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Diesel Internal combustion motors, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 249 shp / 186 Kw = 9,00 kts Range 900nm at 6,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 24 tons Complement: 73 - 95 Cost: £0,037 million / $0,147 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 21 tons, 2,7% - Guns: 21 tons, 2,7% Armour: 4 tons, 0,5% - Armament: 3 tons, 0,4% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 38 tons, 4,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 343 tons, 44,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 41 tons, 5,3% Miscellaneous weights: 330 tons, 42,4% - Hull below water: 300 tons - Hull above water: 20 tons - On freeboard deck: 10 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 1 814 lbs / 823 Kg = 16,8 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,42 Metacentric height 1,5 ft / 0,5 m Roll period: 10,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,17 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,564 / 0,566 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,33 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,10 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 22 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees Stern overhang: 4,92 ft / 1,50 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Aft deck: 39,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 10,08 ft / 3,07 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120,9% Waterplane Area: 4 708 Square feet or 437 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 168% Structure weight / hull surface area: 51 lbs/sq ft or 251 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,26 - Longitudinal: 2,66 - Overall: 1,36 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

 Отправлено: 07.02.20 10:30. Заголовок: аи-вооружение аи-Тра..

аи-вооружение аи-Транспортов:

1. моторные катера.

На основе 52-ф катеров с броненосцев. Замена паровых машин на керосиновые/бензиновые/дизели (4-6 по 150-300 лс, надо поискать исторические аналоги, если были). ТА бортовые, бугельного типа.
laid down 1903

Displacement:
30 t light; 30 t standard; 31 t normal; 31 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (55,53 ft / 52,49 ft) x 13,12 ft x (3,28 / 3,31 ft) (16,92 m / 16,00 m) x 4,00 m x (1,00 / 1,01 m) Armament: 1 - 0,30" / 7,6 mm 45,0 cal gun - 0,01lbs / 0,01kg shells, 60 per gun Machine gun in deck mount, 1903 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft Weight of broadside 0 lbs / 0 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 381 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,393 t each, 0,787 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Machinery: Petrol Internal combustion motors, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 617 shp / 460 Kw = 14,00 kts Range 50nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 tons Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery Complement: 6 - 8 Cost: £0,004 million / $0,015 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 tons, 3,3% - Guns: 0 tons, 0,1% - Weapons: 1 tons, 3,2% Machinery: 18 tons, 59,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 10 tons, 33,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 tons, 3,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 15 lbs / 7 Kg = 0,1 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 2,18 Metacentric height 0,8 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 6,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 13 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,00 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,08 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,477 / 0,479 Length to Beam Ratio: 4,00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 9,08 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 80 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 1,64 ft / 0,50 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m, 4,27 ft / 1,30 m - Forward deck: 38,00%, 4,27 ft / 1,30 m, 4,27 ft / 1,30 m - Aft deck: 27,00%, 2,30 ft / 0,70 m, 2,30 ft / 0,70 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 2,30 ft / 0,70 m, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m - Average freeboard: 3,43 ft / 1,05 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 193,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 47,6% Waterplane Area: 467 Square feet or 43 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 22% Structure weight / hull surface area: 16 lbs/sq ft or 77 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,84 - Longitudinal: 4,60 - Overall: 0,99 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

2. Подводные лодки (перекликается с темами аи-Старк и аи-малые корабли.

Предположим, что Витте-Старк в версии аи заинтересовались подплавом и гр. Налётовым.

а) первая версия - 30-40/40-50 в погруженном состоянии, 6-5 уз, 1 винт, керосиновый двигатель (два) и эл.-мотор. Топливная цистерна наверху в рубке, к двигателю подведен аналог "шнорхеля". В носу минный тоннель-шахта с методом постановки Мз на заднем ходу на 6 МЗ типа "амурских" в 400-600 кг с ВВ 120 кг. 2 решетчатых ТА Дальность 30-50 миль. Глубина погружения до 20 м, рабочая - 10-15 м.
4 главных цистерны, 2 дифферентовочные, и 4-6 малые. Балласт 4 т.

б) увеличены размеры, 60-70т/70-80 т. по два двигателя (керосиновые и электро). 2 кормовых ТА трубчатых и 2 решетчатых в носу на палубе. 12-18 МЗ в носовых шахтах-тоннелях. 1 37-мм - ?, 1 ПМ.

КрабЪ ПЛ-МЗ (б), laid down 1903

Displacement:
58 t light; 59 t standard; 60 t normal; 60 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (66,25 ft / 62,34 ft) x 13,12 ft x (4,92 / 4,94 ft) (20,19 m / 19,00 m) x 4,00 m x (1,50 / 1,51 m) Armament: 1 - 0,30" / 7,6 mm 45,0 cal gun - 0,01lbs / 0,01kg shells, 450 per gun Machine gun in deck mount, 1903 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 0 lbs / 0 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,392 t each, 0,783 t total submerged stern tubes 2nd Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,392 t each, 0,783 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Mines 2 - 1 322,77 lbs / 600,00 kg mines + 10 reloads - 7,086 t total in Above water - Stern racks/rails Machinery: Petrol Internal combustion generators, Electric motors, 1 shaft, 32 shp / 23 Kw = 7,00 kts Range 100nm at 5,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 tons Complement: 9 - 13 Cost: £0,003 million / $0,010 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 11 tons, 19,1% - Guns: 0 tons, 0,0% - Weapons: 11 tons, 19,1% Machinery: 4 tons, 6,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 43 tons, 72,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 tons, 2,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 212 lbs / 96 Kg = 2,0 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,60 Metacentric height 0,5 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 7,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 81 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,00 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,63 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,519 / 0,520 Length to Beam Ratio: 4,75 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 9,63 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 1,64 ft / 0,50 m, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m - Aft deck: 28,00%, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m - Quarter deck: 12,00%, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m, 1,97 ft / 0,60 m - Average freeboard: 3,10 ft / 0,94 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 34,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 37,8% Waterplane Area: 577 Square feet or 54 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 822% Structure weight / hull surface area: 51 lbs/sq ft or 247 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 2,91 - Longitudinal: 10,14 - Overall: 3,29 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Что-то "зеркальное" с АГ Голланда.