Если взрослого мыша взять и, бережно держа, напихать в него иголок Вы получите ежа. Если этого ежа, нос заткнув, чтоб не дышал, Где поглубже, бросить в речку Вы получите ерша. Если этого ерша, головой в тисках зажав, посильней тянуть за хвост Вы получите ужа. Если этого ужа, приготовив два ножа... Впрочем, он наверно сдохнет: Hо идея хороша!
Отправлено: 09.10.17 18:57. Заголовок: Италия договорилась ..
Италия договорилась с Францией под английские гарантии об "аренде" 6 броненосцев т. "Дантон". Некий прото ленд-лиз: при гибели корабля Италия выплачивает половину стоимости договорной. Первые 3-4 мес присутствуют французские консультанты-советники.
Что было БЫ? Возможность ближней блокады Полы? Десант в Каттаро или в Себенико? Генеральный бой?
Отправлено: 12.10.17 22:03. Заголовок: Десант-ловушка для и..
Десант-ловушка для итальянцев (и англо-франков?): Сценарий аи - Высадка десанта на побережье Италии приводит к угрозе (формально) Венеции. Итальянский флот брошен в контр-операцию. В каком виде могут быть представлены действия флота Австро-Венгрии? При ситуации по составу в соответствии с реалом. На сентябрь 1915 г. У АВ 4 дредноута.
Десант-ловушка-приманка. А по суше ближе в истории не получилось. Предложения за австрийцев: 1. Впустить неприятеля в Адриатику, завлечь погоней за своими крейсерами и встретить на подготовленной зоне артиллерийско-подводной-воздушной позиции, При отходе неприятеля организовать преследование ПЛ, часть ПЛ сразу в засаду. 2. Сразу действовать профилактически ПЛ, начиная от баз противника. И две позиции артиллерийского воздействия: в Отрантском проливе и у Полы.
Германец далече, ему в обход европы лодки гнать. Можно найти союзничка поближе, всего лишь за Проливами. Российская Империя зовется - при грамотном царе-батюшке (не Николашке) она за просто так за "братушек-сербов" не впишется, нейтралитет держать будет, не связанная бременем французских кредитов.
Отправлено: 14.10.17 20:43. Заголовок: Это в данном случае,..
Это в данном случае, другая история. В данной теме, о ловушке, рассматриваем действия реальных сторон и составов. Германские лодки уже были в Австрии. При планировании операции можно заранее озаботиться присылкой 3-4 больших лодок дополнительно. И вот как эти лодки применить?
Классика - в крейсерство у баз или коммуникациях. Но планируется бой в определенном районе, тогда как эскадренные лодки? Тактика?
Отправлено: 31.12.17 11:18. Заголовок: Какие могли построит..
Какие могли построить корабли итальянцы при развитии аи 1 мировой и/или усилении состава легких сил Австро-Венгрии? Скауты, лидеры, эсминцы и м.б. легкие крейсера.
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (649,02 ft / 626,64 ft) x 88,58 ft x (19,69 / 20,01 ft) (197,82 m / 191,00 m) x 27,00 m x (6,00 / 6,10 m)
Armament: 6 - 18,11" / 460 mm 40,0 cal guns - 2 846,39lbs / 1 291,10kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck aft 12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 12 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 12,84lbs / 5,82kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 17 870 lbs / 8 106 kg
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 439,63 ft / 134,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,30" / 33 mm 183,73 ft / 56,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 108% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 2nd: 4,33" / 110 mm 3,15" / 80 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - -
- Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,38" / 35 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 10,24" / 260 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 53 734 shp / 40 086 Kw = 25,75 kts Range 2 200nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 874 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 12 699 lbs / 5 760 Kg = 4,3 x 18,1 " / 460 mm shells or 2,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,24 Metacentric height 6,2 ft / 1,9 m Roll period: 15,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,74 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01
Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,610 / 0,612 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,07 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 27,10 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Average freeboard: 17,91 ft / 5,46 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 146,1% Waterplane Area: 42 023 Square feet or 3 904 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 81% Structure weight / hull surface area: 152 lbs/sq ft or 740 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,69 - Longitudinal: 0,98 - Overall: 0,72 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Отправлено: 01.12.22 18:49. Заголовок: Пан директор пишет: ..
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водоизмещение нужно увеличить раза в три
При моём миниманизме увеличение-удлинение-расширение не более 2-3 000 т. Если больше, м.б впихнуться 3х3 460, "нельсоновской" пирамидой в центре. И аи-версия аи-линейного крейсера "Юлий Цезарь", 3 ед.: laid down 1913, Displacement: 18 259 t light; 19 388 t standard; 20 038 t normal; 20 559 t full load, пирамида в центре, 16 котлов в две сдвоенные трубы.
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (655,58 ft / 633,20 ft) x 91,86 ft x (22,97 / 23,41 ft) (199,82 m / 193,00 m) x 28,00 m x (7,00 / 7,14 m)
Armament: 9 - 12,01" / 305 mm 45,0 cal guns - 873,08lbs / 396,02kg shells, 140 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1913 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 12 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1913 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 8 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 9 263 lbs / 4 201 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m torpedoes - 0,852 t each, 6,813 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 12,2" / 310 mm 337,93 ft / 103,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 32,81 ft / 10,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 82% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 4,33" / 110 mm 12,2" / 310 mm 2nd: 4,72" / 120 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 6,30" / 160 mm
- Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,17" / 55 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1,38" / 35 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 11,02" / 280 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 63 023 shp / 47 015 Kw = 27,00 kts Range 2 400nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 171 tons (39% coal)
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 24 850 lbs / 11 272 Kg = 28,7 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 4,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19 Metacentric height 6,1 ft / 1,9 m Roll period: 15,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,41 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,05
Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,525 / 0,528 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,89 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 27,44 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 23,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 31,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 16,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Average freeboard: 18,44 ft / 5,62 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,8% Waterplane Area: 40 622 Square feet or 3 774 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107% Structure weight / hull surface area: 175 lbs/sq ft or 857 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,00 - Longitudinal: 1,38 - Overall: 1,03 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (513,11 ft / 498,69 ft) x 54,13 ft x (14,76 / 15,15 ft) (156,40 m / 152,00 m) x 16,50 m x (4,50 / 4,62 m)
Armament: 9 - 7,99" / 203 mm 45,0 cal guns - 257,42lbs / 116,76kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 190 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 4 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 2 796 lbs / 1 268 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,779 t each, 6,228 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 354,33 ft / 108,00 m 7,87 ft / 2,40 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 109% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 2nd: 2,36" / 60 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 2,36" / 60 mm
- Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,02" / 26 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,87" / 22 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 31 907 shp / 23 803 Kw = 27,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 464 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 5 076 lbs / 2 302 Kg = 19,9 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05 Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 15,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,92 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01
Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,527 / 0,531 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,21 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,00 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 19,03 ft / 5,80 m - Average freeboard: 15,44 ft / 4,71 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137,0% Waterplane Area: 18 888 Square feet or 1 755 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99% Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 498 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,88 - Longitudinal: 1,17 - Overall: 0,90 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (664,03 ft / 643,04 ft) x 100,07 ft x (24,93 / 25,39 ft) (202,40 m / 196,00 m) x 30,50 m x (7,60 / 7,74 m)
Armament: 9 - 18,11" / 460 mm 40,0 cal guns - 2 846,39lbs / 1 291,10kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 12 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 26 418 lbs / 11 983 kg
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 449,48 ft / 137,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 108,27 ft / 33,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 85,30 ft / 26,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 108% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 2nd: 2,36" / 60 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 3,54" / 90 mm
- Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,73" / 44 mm Forecastle: 1,10" / 28 mm Quarter deck: 1,42" / 36 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 10,24" / 260 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 46 282 shp / 34 526 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 318 tons (33% coal)
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 13 368 lbs / 6 064 Kg = 4,5 x 18,1 " / 460 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09 Metacentric height 5,9 ft / 1,8 m Roll period: 17,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,99 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,09
Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,533 / 0,536 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,43 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 27,74 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Average freeboard: 17,28 ft / 5,27 m Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130,5% Waterplane Area: 45 278 Square feet or 4 206 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 79% Structure weight / hull surface area: 185 lbs/sq ft or 901 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,64 - Longitudinal: 1,10 - Overall: 0,68 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (421,25 ft / 406,82 ft) x 39,37 ft x (11,48 / 11,80 ft) (128,40 m / 124,00 m) x 12,00 m x (3,50 / 3,60 m)
Armament: 9 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1913 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 4 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck aft Weight of broadside 533 lbs / 242 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,921 t each, 7,365 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 252,62 ft / 77,00 m 7,87 ft / 2,40 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 96% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 1,57" / 40 mm
- Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,87" / 22 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 1,18" / 30 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 30 310 shp / 22 611 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 241 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 1 833 lbs / 832 Kg = 34,8 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15 Metacentric height 1,6 ft / 0,5 m Roll period: 13,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,52 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,13
Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,572 / 0,576 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,33 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,52 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,94 ft / 4,86 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 140,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140,4% Waterplane Area: 11 696 Square feet or 1 087 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94% Structure weight / hull surface area: 60 lbs/sq ft or 292 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,84 - Longitudinal: 1,76 - Overall: 0,91 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (616,80 ft / 597,11 ft) x 55,77 ft x (16,40 / 16,78 ft) (188,00 m / 182,00 m) x 17,00 m x (5,00 / 5,11 m)
Armament: 9 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 16 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 29,24lbs / 13,26kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 2 raised mounts - superfiring 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 2 raised mounts - superfiring 16 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 65,0 cal guns - 1,71lbs / 0,78kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mount, 1933 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on sides amidships Weight of broadside 1 468 lbs / 666 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 21,65 ft / 6,60 m torpedoes - 1,451 t each, 8,705 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,33" / 110 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 39,37 ft / 12,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 76% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,33" / 110 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 4,33" / 110 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,94" / 24 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 4,33" / 110 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 56 197 shp / 41 923 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 567 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 12 810 lbs / 5 811 Kg = 119,6 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10 Metacentric height 2,5 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 14,8 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,38 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06
Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , an extended bulbous bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,552 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,71 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,07 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Average freeboard: 17,45 ft / 5,32 m Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147,6% Waterplane Area: 23 770 Square feet or 2 208 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 148% Structure weight / hull surface area: 133 lbs/sq ft or 647 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,46 - Longitudinal: 1,37 - Overall: 1,40 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
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Да уж, хороши же были детские фантазии у фон Эхенбаха... Монструятина прям типа "Дворца Джина", только расположение башен ГК отличается (у реального прототипа тройка башен была по корме) да и башни 3-орудийные...
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (235,31 ft / 226,38 ft) x 19,69 ft x (6,89 / 7,07 ft) (71,72 m / 69,00 m) x 6,00 m x (2,10 / 2,15 m)
Armament: 6 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 84 lbs / 38 kg Main Torpedoes 9 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,767 t each, 6,899 t total In 3 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes
Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,24" / 6 mm - -
- Conning towers: Forward 0,24" / 6 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 10 764 shp / 8 030 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 800nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 35 tons (25% coal)
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 133 lbs / 60 Kg = 9,9 x 3,0 " / 76 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20 Metacentric height 0,6 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 10,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,39 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04
Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,497 / 0,502 Length to Beam Ratio: 11,50 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 15,05 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 45,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 10,59 ft / 3,23 m Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 181,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 78,7% Waterplane Area: 2 961 Square feet or 275 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 42% Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 104 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,52 - Longitudinal: 3,15 - Overall: 0,62 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room
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2) к 2 мв - laid down 1934, Displacement: 565 t light; 594 t standard; 609 t normal; 621 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (246,28 ft / 236,22 ft) x 22,97 ft x (8,20 / 8,32 ft) (75,07 m / 72,00 m) x 7,00 m x (2,50 / 2,54 m)
Armament: 6 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 43,0 cal guns - 29,80lbs / 13,52kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 1 raised mount aft 4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 450 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 185 lbs / 84 kg Main Torpedoes 9 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,771 t each, 6,935 t total In 3 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 90,39 lbs / 41,00 kg Depth Charges + 8 reloads - 0,404 t total in Stern depth charge racks
Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,24" / 6 mm - -
- Conning towers: Forward 0,24" / 6 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 11 197 shp / 8 353 Kw = 27,00 kts Range 900nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 27 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 292 lbs / 133 Kg = 9,6 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11 Metacentric height 0,7 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 11,8 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,71 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,12
Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,479 / 0,482 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,29 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 15,37 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 68 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 45,00%, 8,86 ft / 2,70 m, 8,86 ft / 2,70 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 8,86 ft / 2,70 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,72 ft / 3,57 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 160,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82,4% Waterplane Area: 3 547 Square feet or 330 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84% Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 161 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,69 - Longitudinal: 4,36 - Overall: 0,83 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (601,26 ft / 583,99 ft) x 86,94 ft x (22,97 / 26,12 ft) (183,26 m / 178,00 m) x 26,50 m x (7,00 / 7,96 m)
Armament: 9 - 15,00" / 381 mm 42,0 cal guns - 1 636,38lbs / 742,25kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 3 - 15,00" / 381 mm 42,0 cal guns - 1 636,38lbs / 742,25kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mount, 1911 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 6 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 8 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 raised mounts 12 - 0,47" / 12,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,05lbs / 0,02kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1911 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas Weight of broadside 20 064 lbs / 9 101 kg
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 387,14 ft / 118,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 170,60 ft / 52,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 26,25 ft / 8,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 102% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 2nd: 11,8" / 300 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 3rd: 3,94" / 100 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 5th: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm -
- Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 9,84" / 250 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 47 245 shp / 35 245 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 1 600nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 776 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 22 766 lbs / 10 327 Kg = 13,5 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14 Metacentric height 5,2 ft / 1,6 m Roll period: 16,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,99 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04
Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,667 / 0,595 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,72 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,15 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 27,89 ft / 8,50 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,73 ft / 5,40 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125,4% Waterplane Area: 40 538 Square feet or 3 766 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93% Structure weight / hull surface area: 205 lbs/sq ft or 1 001 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,95 - Longitudinal: 1,54 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Отправлено: 01.03.24 18:08. Заголовок: 1. Французы - с 1906..
1. Французы - с 1906 строят аи - Леон Гамбетта: по схеме "Гёбена" с 5х2 240\50.
2. ответЪ итальянцев - с 1913 г. строятЪ аи-авианосцы "Джиованни Караччиолло" (3 ед. +- Хосё-Сёхо с 1 кормовым подъёмником/краном и носовым бортовым лифтом. 4 аэрофинишера, 3 аварийных барьера, 1 катапульта бортовая. Трубы и "остров" вынесены в спонсонах вне палубы. в 13000 т (основа проекта "Регина Елена", м.б. с турбинами). Авиагруппа - 40 Капрони С-3аи/быстросборные: 1 750 кг 450-мм торпеда; пробег-разбег 130 м, м -4500 кг, 3х175 лс, 120 км/ч, 150 м высота, 3-4 часа полёт, возможна прото-парашютная система дополнительного торможения (или переход на схему гидросамолёта-амфибии), 3 чел. 6 летающих лодок Кертис. 9 собранных С3 в ангаре под полётной палубой, прочие в нижнем ангаре и трюме. - laid down 1913, Displacement: 10 673 t light; 11 002 t standard; 12 567 t normal; 13 819 t full load Скрытый текст
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (551,18 ft / 531,50 ft) x 68,90 ft x (22,97 / 24,72 ft) (168,00 m / 162,00 m) x 21,00 m x (7,00 / 7,54 m)
Armament: 8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1913 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 8 - 2,56" / 65,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,45lbs / 3,83kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 932 lbs / 423 kg
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,52" / 64 mm 246,06 ft / 75,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,26" / 32 mm 246,06 ft / 75,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 39,37 ft / 12,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 71% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,26" / 32 mm 0,31" / 8 mm -
- Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 2,01" / 51 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 0,79" / 20 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 4 shafts, 20 278 ihp / 15 128 Kw = 21,00 kts Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 2 817 tons (100% coal)
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 33 211 lbs / 15 064 Kg = 309,9 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 4,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,28 Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m Roll period: 13,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,07 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00
Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, an extended bulbous bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,523 / 0,534 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,71 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,05 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 13,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 40,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Average freeboard: 23,06 ft / 7,03 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 49,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 183,8% Waterplane Area: 24 920 Square feet or 2 315 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 223% Structure weight / hull surface area: 169 lbs/sq ft or 824 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,73 - Longitudinal: 3,35 - Overall: 1,85 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
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