Отправлено: 06.03.17 10:25. Заголовок: Италия - Австрия, 1 Мировая альтернатива (продолжение)

АИ вариант истории:
Анонс
"Спасение империи требует создания республики!" - с таким лейтмотивом прозвучало обращение к подданным 1 июля 1914 года эрцгерцога Франца Фердинанда, появившегося на площади в Будапеште после неудавшегося покушения в Сараево. Эрцгерцог получил тяжелое ранение, не угрожавшее, однако, его жизни. Обращение привело к последующему объявлению императором Францем Иосифом о начале двуединого правления с Францем Фердинандом.
Я. Гашек уже сможет написать: "убили-то подстрелили-то Фердинанда нашего"- сказал Швейк...

Далее было объявлено о создании "Единой республиканской ("семиреспубликанской") Священной империи Центральной Европы. Все эти изменения фактически подводили итог многолетней работе, проводимой Францем Фердинандом.
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После вступления Италии в войну на стороне Антанты в мае 1915 года, в августе последовала стратегическая десантная операция Австро-Венгрии . В районе Римини была высажена Ударная армия, взято побережье Сан-Марино - Комаккьо. Армия продвинулась до Кьеджо (У Венецианского залива), Ровиго, Феррара и Модена с угрозой Падуе, Мантуе и Парме. Передовые отряды на южном фасе заняли перевалы и подходы к Флоренции и ...
Итальянский фронт рухнул в течение 3-х недель.
Факторами, способствовавшими успехам сухопутных войск были: широкое применение авиации, штурмовых бомбомётов и легких бронированых самоходных устройств-тракторов с бронеавтомобилями. Одновременно королю Италии был предложен договор о мире с весьма мягкими условиями и заманчивыми перспективами сотрудничества.

В Адриатике происходили активные морские действия для предотвращения блокады десанта. Значительная часть работы выполнялась подводными лодками, минными заградителями. Активно действовали линейные и лёгкие силы.
Наибольший эффект произошел от применения для высадки специальных десантных кораблей.

Состав флотов в Антанте - реал.
Предложения и замечания - ?

 Отправлено: 09.06.19 13:19. Заголовок: Отвлечённо от Аи: к..

Отвлечённо от Аи:
как можно было БЫ модернизировать дредноуты т. "Вирибус Унитис", особенно ПТЗ?

 Отправлено: 10.06.19 12:28. Заголовок: Ну это. Були :)..

Ну это. Були :)

 Отправлено: 03.09.19 14:57. Заголовок: Вариант альт. бркр. ..

Вариант альт. бркр. Немного доработать с 2х3 305 и вот соперник более раннему проекту альт ЛнКР с 2х3 305.

альт "Санкт Георг", альт Австро-Венгрия альт бркр laid down 1910

Displacement:
8 036 t light; 8 501 t standard; 8 983 t normal; 9 368 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (419,14 ft / 403,54 ft) x 65,62 ft x (22,97 / 23,69 ft) (127,75 m / 123,00 m) x 20,00 m x (7,00 / 7,22 m) Armament: 3 - 12,01" / 305 mm 45,0 cal guns - 873,08lbs / 396,02kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1910 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 2 - 9,45" / 240 mm 45,0 cal guns - 425,39lbs / 192,95kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1910 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1910 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 6 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread Weight of broadside 3 949 lbs / 1 791 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,909 t each, 3,635 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,48" / 190 mm 216,54 ft / 66,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 3,54" / 90 mm 164,04 ft / 50,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 83% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 7,48" / 190 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 8,27" / 210 mm 2nd: 7,48" / 190 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 7,48" / 190 mm 3rd: 1,18" / 30 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,48" / 190 mm, Aft 1,18" / 30 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 30 372 shp / 22 657 Kw = 25,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 867 tons Complement: 460 - 599 Cost: £0,804 million / $3,216 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 901 tons, 10,0% - Guns: 894 tons, 10,0% - Weapons: 7 tons, 0,1% Armour: 2 263 tons, 25,2% - Belts: 944 tons, 10,5% - Armament: 479 tons, 5,3% - Armour Deck: 760 tons, 8,5% - Conning Towers: 81 tons, 0,9% Machinery: 1 255 tons, 14,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 617 tons, 40,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 947 tons, 10,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 12 353 lbs / 5 603 Kg = 14,3 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19 Metacentric height 3,7 ft / 1,1 m Roll period: 14,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,60 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,517 / 0,523 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,15 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,86 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 42,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 28,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 18,22 ft / 5,55 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,2% Waterplane Area: 18 642 Square feet or 1 732 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111% Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 714 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,98 - Longitudinal: 3,38 - Overall: 1,11 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

 Отправлено: 08.10.19 19:02. Заголовок: Немного по проектам ..

Немного по проектам крейсеров Австро-Венгрии новых типов:

легкий турбинный КР
аи Зента, аи А-В аи лгКР laid down 1911, броневой пояс на протяжении КМО.

Displacement:
3 389 t light; 3 544 t standard; 3 881 t normal; 4 150 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (418,03 ft / 400,26 ft) x 42,65 ft x (16,40 / 17,21 ft) (127,41 m / 122,00 m) x 13,00 m x (5,00 / 5,25 m) Armament: 6 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 8 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1911 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 4 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 930 lbs / 422 kg Main Torpedoes 12 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,913 t each, 10,952 t total In 6 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 236,22 ft / 72,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 91% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,10" / 28 mm Forecastle: 1,10" / 28 mm Quarter deck: 1,10" / 28 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 44 545 shp / 33 230 Kw = 31,50 kts Range 2 200nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 606 tons Complement: 245 - 319 Cost: £0,408 million / $1,631 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 184 tons, 4,7% - Guns: 162 tons, 4,2% - Weapons: 22 tons, 0,6% Armour: 470 tons, 12,1% - Belts: 192 tons, 5,0% - Armament: 25 tons, 0,6% - Armour Deck: 240 tons, 6,2% - Conning Tower: 13 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 748 tons, 45,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 987 tons, 25,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 492 tons, 12,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 1 703 lbs / 772 Kg = 15,9 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,44 Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 11,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,27 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,485 / 0,494 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,38 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,99 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,76 ft / 5,11 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 157,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 141,3% Waterplane Area: 11 666 Square feet or 1 084 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 86% Structure weight / hull surface area: 52 lbs/sq ft or 256 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,68 - Longitudinal: 1,96 - Overall: 0,76 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Броненосный крейсер, на проекте КМО ЛгКР т. аи-Цента:

аи Кустоца, аи А-В аи ТКР-БрКР laid down 1912

Displacement:
9 996 t light; 10 454 t standard; 11 049 t normal; 11 525 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (585,27 ft / 564,30 ft) x 55,77 ft x (22,97 / 23,70 ft) (178,39 m / 172,00 m) x 17,00 m x (7,00 / 7,23 m) Armament: 6 - 9,45" / 240 mm 45,0 cal guns - 425,39lbs / 192,95kg shells, 140 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 1 x Twin mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x Twin mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 8 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1912 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 6 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 2 852 lbs / 1 293 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,917 t each, 3,667 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 288,71 ft / 88,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 269,03 ft / 82,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 79% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 2,20" / 56 mm Forecastle: 1,10" / 28 mm Quarter deck: 1,10" / 28 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,72" / 120 mm, Aft 1,18" / 30 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 48 003 shp / 35 810 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 071 tons Complement: 538 - 700 Cost: £0,871 million / $3,485 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 630 tons, 5,7% - Guns: 623 tons, 5,6% - Weapons: 7 tons, 0,1% Armour: 2 149 tons, 19,4% - Belts: 921 tons, 8,3% - Armament: 307 tons, 2,8% - Armour Deck: 857 tons, 7,8% - Conning Towers: 63 tons, 0,6% Machinery: 1 914 tons, 17,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 303 tons, 48,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 053 tons, 9,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 15 127 lbs / 6 861 Kg = 35,9 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 2,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,01 Metacentric height 2,1 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 16,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,98 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,39 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,535 / 0,541 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,12 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,98 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 32,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 20,28 ft / 6,18 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152,5% Waterplane Area: 22 542 Square feet or 2 094 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 132% Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 712 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,32 - Longitudinal: 2,49 - Overall: 1,40 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Проект скаута-лидера:
аи Пола, аи А-В аи Лидер-ЛгКР скаут laid down 1913. Размерения желательно оптимизировать. ТЗА - той же системы. Броневой пояс и палуба на протяжении КМО.

Displacement:
1 762 t light; 1 833 t standard; 2 000 t normal; 2 133 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (377,06 ft / 364,17 ft) x 26,25 ft x (13,12 / 13,79 ft) (114,93 m / 111,00 m) x 8,00 m x (4,00 / 4,20 m) Armament: 6 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 6 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 372 lbs / 169 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,921 t each, 7,365 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,79" / 20 mm 164,04 ft / 50,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 69% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,28" / 7 mm 0,59" / 15 mm - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,79" / 20 mm Forecastle: 0,59" / 15 mm Quarter deck: 0,59" / 15 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,59" / 15 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 33 515 shp / 25 002 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 300 tons Complement: 149 - 194 Cost: £0,246 million / $0,984 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 81 tons, 4,1% - Guns: 67 tons, 3,3% - Weapons: 15 tons, 0,7% Armour: 143 tons, 7,1% - Belts: 36 tons, 1,8% - Armament: 7 tons, 0,4% - Armour Deck: 98 tons, 4,9% - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 042 tons, 52,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 496 tons, 24,8% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 237 tons, 11,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 542 lbs / 246 Kg = 5,0 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19 Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 11,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,75 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,24 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,558 / 0,566 Length to Beam Ratio: 13,88 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,16 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,33 ft / 4,37 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 177,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116,9% Waterplane Area: 6 998 Square feet or 650 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 68% Structure weight / hull surface area: 32 lbs/sq ft or 158 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,57 - Longitudinal: 2,30 - Overall: 0,66 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

ЭМ аи типа Татра - 3х1 120, 3х2 ТА, 2 66, 30 уз, 1400 т.
МН аи типа Улан - 30-28 уз, 3х1 100, 2х2 ТА, 1-2 66, 700-900 т.
ПЛ аи "С" типа - 600т, 1 66-мм, 6 ТА + 10 запасных торпед, 21+14 суток автономности, 60 м глубина погружения, 1,5-2 мин время погружения. 9/6 уз.

 Отправлено: 09.10.19 19:36. Заголовок: Сомнения по линейке ..

Сомнения по линейке калибров флота...
Историческая: 66-100-120-150-190-240-305-350 (360)...
аи1: 66-132-164-328 Экономно. Но не кругло, не вполне эстетично :-))
аи2: 66-120-240-360, пока в качестве основной линии на данный момент. Возможны промежуточные 150-190-305-320.

Нарисовался аи ББО типа Монарх (помесь ббо и брКР):
аи "Монарх", аи АВ аи ббо laid down 1892

Displacement:
5 559 t light; 5 859 t standard; 5 998 t normal; 6 110 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (334,65 ft / 324,80 ft) x 59,06 ft x (19,69 / 19,97 ft) (102,00 m / 99,00 m) x 18,00 m x (6,00 / 6,09 m) Armament: 4 - 9,45" / 240 mm 40,0 cal guns - 404,25lbs / 183,37kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1892 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 8 - 5,91" / 150 mm 40,0 cal guns - 98,69lbs / 44,77kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1892 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 8 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 8,41lbs / 3,81kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1892 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck aft 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 2 486 lbs / 1 128 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,316 t each, 0,632 t total submerged bow tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 9,45" / 240 mm 219,82 ft / 67,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 4,72" / 120 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 2,36" / 60 mm 219,82 ft / 67,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Main Belt covers 104% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 10,2" / 260 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 9,45" / 240 mm 2nd: 3,54" / 90 mm - - 3rd: 1,18" / 30 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 9,45" / 240 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 612 ihp / 6 425 Kw = 18,00 kts Range 900nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 251 tons Complement: 340 - 443 Cost: £0,562 million / $2,247 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 536 tons, 8,9% - Guns: 535 tons, 8,9% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 2 117 tons, 35,3% - Belts: 1 221 tons, 20,4% - Armament: 470 tons, 7,8% - Armour Deck: 359 tons, 6,0% - Conning Tower: 67 tons, 1,1% Machinery: 1 398 tons, 23,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 508 tons, 25,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 439 tons, 7,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 5 186 lbs / 2 352 Kg = 12,3 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 4,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,29 Metacentric height 3,6 ft / 1,1 m Roll period: 13,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,62 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,71 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,556 / 0,558 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,50 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,02 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,67 ft / 5,08 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123,7% Waterplane Area: 13 462 Square feet or 1 251 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92% Structure weight / hull surface area: 90 lbs/sq ft or 439 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,70 - Longitudinal: 2,40 - Overall: 0,79 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

СК в два яруса (м.б. или на батарее и верхней палубе, или - на верхней палубе. Две трубы.

"Показательная реакция" на появление "Бранденбурга":
аи "Арпад", аи А-В аи бр лг laid down 1896

Displacement:
8 058 t light; 8 472 t standard; 9 040 t normal; 9 495 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (459,53 ft / 446,19 ft) x 59,06 ft x (19,69 / 20,50 ft) (140,07 m / 136,00 m) x 18,00 m x (6,00 / 6,25 m) Armament: 6 - 9,45" / 240 mm 40,0 cal guns - 404,25lbs / 183,37kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 8 - 5,91" / 150 mm 40,0 cal guns - 98,69lbs / 44,77kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 8 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 3 286 lbs / 1 490 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,366 t each, 0,732 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 9,45" / 240 mm 331,36 ft / 101,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 4,72" / 120 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 2,36" / 60 mm 331,36 ft / 101,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Main Belt covers 114% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 8,66" / 220 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 9,45" / 240 mm 2nd: 2,36" / 60 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,89" / 48 mm Forecastle: 0,94" / 24 mm Quarter deck: 0,94" / 24 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,09" / 180 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14 873 ihp / 11 096 Kw = 20,00 kts Range 2 600nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 023 tons (100% coal) Complement: 463 - 602 Cost: £0,868 million / $3,470 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 734 tons, 8,1% - Guns: 733 tons, 8,1% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 2 998 tons, 33,2% - Belts: 1 666 tons, 18,4% - Armament: 634 tons, 7,0% - Armour Deck: 632 tons, 7,0% - Conning Tower: 66 tons, 0,7% Machinery: 2 479 tons, 27,4% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 847 tons, 20,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 983 tons, 10,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 5 591 lbs / 2 536 Kg = 13,3 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 4,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,26 Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 13,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,74 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,71 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,610 / 0,615 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,56 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,12 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 43,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,64 ft / 5,07 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113,8% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131,0% Waterplane Area: 19 453 Square feet or 1 807 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88% Structure weight / hull surface area: 79 lbs/sq ft or 384 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,68 - Longitudinal: 1,12 - Overall: 0,71 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Крейсер, Лг-БР:
аи Кайзерин Элизабет, аи А-В аи КР (Лг-Т) laid down 1896

Displacement:
3 737 t light; 3 901 t standard; 4 242 t normal; 4 514 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (353,79 ft / 344,49 ft) x 45,93 ft x (16,40 / 17,22 ft) (107,83 m / 105,00 m) x 14,00 m x (5,00 / 5,25 m) Armament: 2 - 9,45" / 240 mm 40,0 cal guns - 404,25lbs / 183,37kg shells, 90 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft 8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 40,0 cal guns - 50,53lbs / 22,92kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 8,41lbs / 3,81kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 1 280 lbs / 581 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,366 t each, 1,464 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,15" / 80 mm 213,25 ft / 65,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 95% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11 740 ihp / 8 758 Kw = 21,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 613 tons (100% coal) Complement: 262 - 341 Cost: £0,483 million / $1,931 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 277 tons, 6,5% - Guns: 274 tons, 6,5% - Weapons: 3 tons, 0,1% Armour: 617 tons, 14,5% - Belts: 238 tons, 5,6% - Armament: 53 tons, 1,3% - Armour Deck: 313 tons, 7,4% - Conning Tower: 13 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 888 tons, 44,5% Hull, fittings & equipment: 954 tons, 22,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 505 tons, 11,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 1 538 lbs / 698 Kg = 3,6 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,55 Metacentric height 3,3 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 10,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 68 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,38 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,37 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,572 / 0,580 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,50 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,50 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 13,47 ft / 4,11 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 162,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96,2% Waterplane Area: 11 742 Square feet or 1 091 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 79% Structure weight / hull surface area: 63 lbs/sq ft or 310 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,76 - Longitudinal: 1,50 - Overall: 0,81 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

АИ: первая очередь аи программы - 4 Монарха, 4 Арпада, 2 Кайзерин Элизабет, 4 Пантер-аи, 12 МН 1 кл, 18 мн 2 кл, 4 КЛ бх, 4 ТР, 4 ПЛ.

 Отправлено: 11.10.19 07:18. Заголовок: Не вполне аи по теме..

"Нулевая программа развития флота, вполне мог приложить руки мысли Фердинанд. 2 Рудольфа, 4 Пантеры аи, по 6 миноносцев Англии, Франции, Германии (альт Пантер, из которых по два строятся на верфях Австрии), 4 КЛ,4 учебных ТР-корвета.

альт Рудольф , альт А-В альт малый бр laid down 1884
Barbette ship. Микро-Дюпре.

Displacement:
6 200 t light; 6 503 t standard; 6 694 t normal; 6 847 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (347,77 ft / 331,36 ft) x 55,77 ft x (22,97 / 23,38 ft) (106,00 m / 101,00 m) x 17,00 m x (7,00 / 7,13 m) Armament: 4 - 12,01" / 305 mm 35,0 cal guns - 774,34lbs / 351,23kg shells, 80 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1884 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 35,0 cal guns - 47,16lbs / 21,39kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1884 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas Weight of broadside 3 475 lbs / 1 576 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 9,45" / 240 mm 173,88 ft / 53,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 4,72" / 120 mm 144,36 ft / 44,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 81% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 9,45" / 240 mm 2nd: 2,36" / 60 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 9,45" / 240 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 080 ihp / 4 535 Kw = 16,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 8,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 344 tons (40% coal) Complement: 369 - 481 Cost: £0,546 million / $2,185 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 561 tons, 8,4% - Guns: 561 tons, 8,4% Armour: 1 944 tons, 29,0% - Belts: 875 tons, 13,1% - Armament: 651 tons, 9,7% - Armour Deck: 346 tons, 5,2% - Conning Tower: 72 tons, 1,1% Machinery: 1 127 tons, 16,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 568 tons, 38,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 494 tons, 7,4% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 7 470 lbs / 3 388 Kg = 9,5 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,27 Metacentric height 3,2 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 13,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 96 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,66 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,92 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,552 / 0,555 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,94 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,20 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 13,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 36,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,62 ft / 4,76 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 87,5% Waterplane Area: 12 922 Square feet or 1 201 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115% Structure weight / hull surface area: 141 lbs/sq ft or 689 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,10 - Longitudinal: 3,47 - Overall: 1,23 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Более скоростной аи вариант: Не укладывается в Шарпа, Быстро возрастают размеры МО и мощность машин. На 18 уз -12500 л.с. с длиной гл. бр. пояса до 88 м.

Аи Пантер - по схеме нано-Дюпре:

альт Пантер, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1886

Displacement:
1 361 t light; 1 409 t standard; 1 486 t normal; 1 546 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (265,75 ft / 255,91 ft) x 36,09 ft x (9,84 / 10,15 ft) (81,00 m / 78,00 m) x 11,00 m x (3,00 / 3,09 m) Armament: 4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 35,0 cal guns - 47,93lbs / 21,74kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 4 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 7,97lbs / 3,62kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 224 lbs / 101 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,252 t each, 1,510 t total In 6 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes 2nd Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,252 t each, 0,503 t total submerged bow tubes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,35" / 9 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,26" / 32 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,71" / 18 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5 750 ihp / 4 289 Kw = 19,50 kts Range 1 800nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 137 tons (20% coal) Complement: 119 - 155 Cost: £0,162 million / $0,648 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 35 tons, 2,4% - Guns: 31 tons, 2,1% - Weapons: 4 tons, 0,3% Armour: 153 tons, 10,3% - Armament: 4 tons, 0,2% - Armour Deck: 148 tons, 10,0% - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 757 tons, 51,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 415 tons, 28,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 124 tons, 8,4% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 580 lbs / 263 Kg = 11,7 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,79 Metacentric height 2,8 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 9,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,08 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,30 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , an extended bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,572 / 0,577 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,09 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,62 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,25 ft / 3,43 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 174,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104,5% Waterplane Area: 6 853 Square feet or 637 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 65% Structure weight / hull surface area: 44 lbs/sq ft or 215 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,77 - Longitudinal: 1,44 - Overall: 0,82 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

 Отправлено: 11.10.19 15:33. Заголовок: аи Рудольф https://..

аи Кронпринц Рудольф. Положение МО, КО и труб с мачтой может изменяться.

 Отправлено: 15.10.19 12:04. Заголовок: аи гидросамолет - ле..

аи гидросамолет - летающая лодка, полутораплан, хвост -на фермах (?), нижнее крыло может вызывать эффект экраноплана, боковые поплавки с эффектом "подводного крыла". Размеры и пр. ТТЭ варьируются при обсуждении (и расчётах). Торпеды - авиавариант, 380-520 кг, 6-8 каб на 33 уз. :-)



P.S.: Схема м.б. однобалочная, и моторы могут быть с толкающими винтами. Схемы ЛЛ-ГС можно принять и для аи мира "по Румынии" как тип IAR-Т-33.
P.S.1: Груз (торпеды) могут устанавливаться в уорпусе лодки по бортам, за откидными створками - по типу бугельных) для улучшения аэродинамики.

 Отправлено: 19.10.19 18:49. Заголовок: Возвращаясь к линейк..

Возвращаясь к линейке калибров:
реал: 37-47-57-66-75 (сухопутное)-90 (зен)-100-120-150-190-240-305- 350 (проект)
1 аи: 47-66-100-150-190-240-305-360/380
2 аи: 33-66-99-132-165-198-231-264-297-330-363-399,
3 аи: 37-66-100-140-170/190/210-240-305-360/370/380-420
Что м.б. предпочтительнее для 1 МВ?

 Отправлено: 20.10.19 17:53. Заголовок: Два варианта крейсер..

Два варианта крейсеров-скаутов А-В с одной типовой ПТУ, сходным силуэтом и схемой легкого бронирования:
1 легкий, с 8 (2х4) 100-мм, 4х2 ТА, 6х1 66, 31 уз -

аи суперТатра, аи А-В аи лидер эм - скаут малый laid down 1912

Displacement:
2 090 t light; 2 161 t standard; 2 303 t normal; 2 416 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (380,48 ft / 367,45 ft) x 29,53 ft x (13,12 / 13,62 ft) (115,97 m / 112,00 m) x 9,00 m x (4,00 / 4,15 m) Armament: 8 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck centre 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 6 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 299 lbs / 136 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,917 t each, 7,333 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 252,62 ft / 77,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 106% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm - 0,35" / 9 mm - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,71" / 18 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 32 318 shp / 24 110 Kw = 31,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 255 tons Complement: 166 - 216 Cost: £0,247 million / $0,988 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 68 tons, 3,0% - Guns: 53 tons, 2,3% - Weapons: 15 tons, 0,6% Armour: 185 tons, 8,0% - Belts: 118 tons, 5,1% - Armament: 5 tons, 0,2% - Armour Deck: 59 tons, 2,6% - Conning Tower: 3 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 137 tons, 49,4% Hull, fittings & equipment: 700 tons, 30,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 213 tons, 9,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 926 lbs / 420 Kg = 30,3 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20 Metacentric height 1,1 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 11,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,38 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,16 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,566 / 0,572 Length to Beam Ratio: 12,44 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,39 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 38,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 31,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,75 ft / 4,50 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 166,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 124,7% Waterplane Area: 8 005 Square feet or 744 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 79% Structure weight / hull surface area: 43 lbs/sq ft or 208 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,74 - Longitudinal: 2,46 - Overall: 0,84 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

2. СуперГельголанд, введен аи ГК в 140-мм:
аи Гельголанд АВ, аи А-В аи ЛгКР скаут laid down 1912

Displacement:
4 097 t light; 4 248 t standard; 4 507 t normal; 4 714 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (451,33 ft / 433,07 ft) x 39,37 ft x (16,40 / 16,98 ft) (137,57 m / 132,00 m) x 12,00 m x (5,00 / 5,18 m) Armament: 8 - 5,51" / 140 mm 45,0 cal guns - 84,44lbs / 38,30kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 6 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 729 lbs / 330 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,917 t each, 3,667 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 288,71 ft / 88,00 m 11,48 ft / 3,50 m Ends: 0,71" / 18 mm 137,80 ft / 42,00 m 11,48 ft / 3,50 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 103% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,35" / 9 mm 0,35" / 9 mm - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,65" / 42 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,71" / 18 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 32 708 shp / 24 400 Kw = 28,50 kts Range 2 200nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 466 tons Complement: 274 - 357 Cost: £0,361 million / $1,443 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 134 tons, 3,0% - Guns: 127 tons, 2,8% - Weapons: 7 tons, 0,2% Armour: 623 tons, 13,8% - Belts: 254 tons, 5,6% - Armament: 13 tons, 0,3% - Armour Deck: 352 tons, 7,8% - Conning Tower: 4 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 304 tons, 28,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 036 tons, 45,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 410 tons, 9,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 4 938 lbs / 2 240 Kg = 59,0 x 5,5 " / 140 mm shells or 1,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15 Metacentric height 1,6 ft / 0,5 m Roll period: 13,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,32 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,564 / 0,570 Length to Beam Ratio: 11,00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,43 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 38,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 31,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,75 ft / 4,50 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120,5% Waterplane Area: 12 556 Square feet or 1 166 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 127% Structure weight / hull surface area: 98 lbs/sq ft or 477 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,46 - Longitudinal: 2,23 - Overall: 1,52 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

и двух основных типов ЭМ:
1. аи ЭМ "Татра" с 4х1 100, 3х2 ТА, 31 уз.
аи эм Татра, аи А-В аи ЭМ laid down 1910

Displacement:
901 t light; 933 t standard; 998 t normal; 1 049 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (298,77 ft / 288,71 ft) x 22,97 ft x (9,84 / 10,22 ft) (91,07 m / 88,00 m) x 7,00 m x (3,00 / 3,12 m) Armament: 4 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 2 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 141 lbs / 64 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,909 t each, 5,452 t total In 3 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,28" / 7 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 21 186 shp / 15 804 Kw = 31,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 116 tons Complement: 88 - 115 Cost: £0,114 million / $0,457 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 32 tons, 3,3% - Guns: 26 tons, 2,6% - Weapons: 7 tons, 0,7% Armour: 3 tons, 0,3% - Armament: 3 tons, 0,3% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 541 tons, 54,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 325 tons, 32,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 96 tons, 9,6% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 321 lbs / 146 Kg = 10,5 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,18 Metacentric height 0,7 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 11,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,42 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,535 / 0,542 Length to Beam Ratio: 12,57 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19,00 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 12,56 ft / 3,83 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 182,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119,0% Waterplane Area: 4 749 Square feet or 441 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 55% Structure weight / hull surface area: 31 lbs/sq ft or 149 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,64 - Longitudinal: 3,18 - Overall: 0,75 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room

2. Улан аи (Фрет-мод)
аи ЭМ Улан турбин, аи А-В аи ЭМ турбинный малый laid down 1908

Displacement:
598 t light; 618 t standard; 664 t normal; 700 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (235,99 ft / 226,38 ft) x 22,97 ft x (9,84 / 10,21 ft) (71,93 m / 69,00 m) x 7,00 m x (3,00 / 3,11 m) Armament: 2 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft 2 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 79 lbs / 36 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,901 t each, 3,603 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 10 035 shp / 7 486 Kw = 27,00 kts Range 900nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 82 tons Complement: 65 - 85 Cost: £0,072 million / $0,290 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 19 tons, 2,9% - Guns: 15 tons, 2,2% - Weapons: 5 tons, 0,7% Armour: 1 tons, 0,1% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 340 tons, 51,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 239 tons, 36,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 65 tons, 9,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 296 lbs / 134 Kg = 9,7 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,31 Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 10,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 47 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,17 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,90 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,454 / 0,462 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,86 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,29 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 18,37 ft / 5,60 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 22,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 46,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 10,66 ft / 3,25 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 171,5% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95,9% Waterplane Area: 3 456 Square feet or 321 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 63% Structure weight / hull surface area: 34 lbs/sq ft or 166 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,80 - Longitudinal: 3,79 - Overall: 0,93 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

 Отправлено: 21.10.19 20:56. Заголовок: О составе АВ флота а..

О составе АВ флота аи: 5 вариант программы, этапы:
1) 3 бр. т. Рудольф с 4 "дюпре" х1 305-35, 8 120-35. 16 уз; 2 мин-торп. кр Пантер с 4х1 "дюпре" 120-35,18 уз; 6 мн 2 кл; 6 мн 3 кл; 2 кл; 4 тр. - 1884-88 гг. – продажа Espana в 1896.
2) 3 бр. т. Монарх 2х2 240-40,8х1 в два яруса 150, 18 уз; 2 кр т. Кайзерин Элизабет 2х1 240,6х1 150, борт-палуба 60, 19-21 уз; 6 мн 1 кл; 6 мн 2 кл; 12 мн 3 кл; 2 кл; 4 тр – 1894-98 гг. – продажа России в 1902.
3) 3 бр. т. Габсбург 6 (3х2) 240-40, 12 120-40, 19 уз (модернизация под 2 турбины-26 уз 4х2 240 …сомнительный вариант перевооружения…, 12 100 в 1908); 2 мин-торп. кр т. Тигр-Пантер 21 уз; 6 мн 1 кл; 12 мн 2 кл; 2 кл; 4 тр-дес. – 1896-1900.
4) 3 бр. т. Эрцгерцог Карл 6 (3х2) 305-45, 12 100-45, 20 уз (модернизация до 26-28 уз турбин в 1909); 3 кр Зента 6 120-40, 23 уз, палуба и борт 40 (перестроены в 1911 в авиакрейсеры 26 уз, 8 100, 26 самолетов-гидро); 12 мн 1 кл 160 т; 12 мн 2 кл 80 т; 12 тщ-скр 120 т; 4 пл 220т; 4 тр; 2 кл, 2 минно-воздушных тендера. 2 малых цепеллина, 4 аэростата – 1898-1904.
5) 3 бр. т. Радецкий 21 уз, 8 (4х2) 305-45, 12 100 (модернизация в 1911 до 12 305 в 4х3); 4 быстроходных Тр-всп.кр турбнных 2500 т, 6 100, 24-26 уз, перестроены в авиа-ТР с 21 самолетом; 12 мн 1 кл; 6 мн 2 кл; 6 тщ-скр; 4 пл; 4 тр; 2 кл; 2 минно-воздушных тендера. 2 малых цепеллина, 4 аэростата; 4 речных монитора; 12 речных катеров – 1903-1906.
6) 3 бр. т. Тегеттгоф 21-23 уз, 12 305 (8 360-380-400, 380. М.б. заявлены с 305, переделаны на 380, но в строй с 305-?); 3 скаута 2500т, 30 уз, 4 150 (4х2 100); 12 эм т. Улан 600т, 26 уз, 2 100, 2х2 та; 6 мн 1 кл; 6 мн 2 кл; 6 тщ-скр; 4 пл; 4 тр; 2 кл; 2 минно-воздушных тендера. 2 малых цепеллина, 4 аэростата, 30 самолетов – 1905-1911.
7) 3 брКР т. Санкт Георг 28 уз, 6 380, 12 100 (1 может быть недостроен); 3 кр-разведчика в 4500 т, 30 уз, 8 140; 12 эм типа Татра 32 уз, 1200т, 4 100, 3х2 та; 3 скаута 2500т, 30 уз, 4 140 (4х2 100); 12 эм т. Улан 600т, 26 уз, 2 100, 2х2 та; 6 мн 1 кл; 6 мн 2 кл; 12 тщ-скр; 8 пл; 4 тр; 2 кл; 6 мониторов с 2 305; 24 катера-тщ; 12 ТКА, 90 самолетов – 1910-1914.
8) Перспективный-резервный вариант дополнительной программы: 2 кр-разведчика в 4500 т, 30 уз, 8 140; 12 эм типа Татра 32 уз, 1200т, 4 100, 3х2 та; 2 скаута 2500т, 30 уз, 4 140 (4х2 100); 6 эм т. Улан 600т, 26 уз, 2 100, 3х2 та; 6 мн 1 кл; 6 мн 2 кл; 12 тщ-скр; 8 пл; 4 тр; 2 кл, 280 самолетов – 1913-1916

 Отправлено: 22.10.19 09:11. Заголовок: Урезаем осетра - 1...

Урезаем осетра -
1. по 2 корабля в серии основных/капитальных кораблей.
2. Рассматриваем возможность перевооружения: а) Эрцг. Карл с 3х2 на 3х3 122 и б) Радецкий - с 4х2 на 4х3 122, Возможность замены башен и сашин на турбины в аи-мире Фердинанда можно было БЫ предусмотреть заранее. В т.ч. котлы на частично нефтяном отоплении и большой запас топлива - официально для большой дальности плавания. Качество же брони кардинально не меняется. Схема бронирования может приближаться к концепции "всё-или ничего", либо же добавляется верхний тонкий пояс и верхняя броневая палуба.
3. Объявление о постройке дредноутов с большими калибрами ГК в 360-380 и 400 мм, и при этом только обозначить начало строительства, более преследует цель спровоцировать очередную гонку калибров и вооружений, и при этом попытаться перейти на "опережающие" время технологии, и способы применения - на доступном тех. уровне развития с форой в 1-2 поколения.
Т.е. - означаем "дредноутную" эпоху и уходим на быстроходные сбалансированные разнородные силы с акцентом на авиацию и ПЛ.

Вот ведь "миролюбивые" англичане к 1 мв изготовили авиаторпеду и самолеты, понастроили приличные подлодки-подводки (Голланд, и где пропаданцы? :-) ) при превосходстве в новых типах и классах кораблей флота. Не говоря уже о наготовленных БОВ - о которых, как и о ПЛ с этапами развития различных вооружений, практически ничего не известно. На мой непросвещённый взгляд дилетанта.

 Отправлено: 22.10.19 18:14. Заголовок: von Echenbach пишет:..

von Echenbach пишет:

цитата:

понастроили приличные подлодки-подводки (Голланд, и

Типу "Г. 7" на конкурсе в Соед. Штатах б. отдано преимущ-во перед друг. типами и в нач. XX столетия лодки эти б. приобретены след. нациями: Россией — 7, Японией — 7, Англией — 5, Голландией — 1, Австрией — 2, С.-А. Соед. Шт. — 7

 Отправлено: 29.10.19 19:12. Заголовок: Версии ЛГ (или не оч..

Версии ЛГ (или не очень лёгких, и даже формально неКР) КР:
Таким мог быть Принципе Альфонсо-Либертад: 4х2 152, 4х76 универс, 4 37, 2-4х3 ТА. В качестве версий - схема аи Новара
1.



Новара-1: 4х2 120/45 (скаут - 4х2 100/45), 6-8 66/45, 4-6х2 ТА 450.

2. Возможно аи Кельн или аи Зента.



4х1 210 (Кельн-1), 4х2 150 (Кельн-2), Зента 1 - 4х2 150 (протопроект 4х2 120 или 140аи). Зента 2 - 4х1 190 (прото 4х2 190)


3. Вероятный вид "лидера" Балтийского моря, аи-22/-38 аи Кронштадт:




1. 3х2 130 - прото с 4 76 и 4 45, 2-3х3 ТА, 32 уз, 2600 т.
2. 3х2 140 аи, 4 76 или 100, 4-8 45-37, 2-3х3 ТА, 3600-4000 т. Стабилизированные СУАО и АУ. Как аи.
3. 3х2 152, 4 76-100, 8 37, 1-2х3 ТА.

Размеры и масштабы с подписями на рисунках могут не совпадать, при желании коллег - поправлю.

 Отправлено: 07.11.19 21:18. Заголовок: Аи БРКЛ А-В по "..

Аи БРКЛ А-В по "мотивам" Санкт-Георга (мини-Санкт Георг, 1908). Если добавить бортовые були, то получается что-то близкое к английским мониторам 1 мв. Или первые образцы турбин А-В производства, или первые пром. версии дизелей. Опытная группа кораблей. ;-)

laid down 1908

Displacement:
2 792 t light; 2 907 t standard; 3 027 t normal; 3 124 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (258,64 ft / 249,34 ft) x 45,93 ft x (16,40 / 16,81 ft) (78,83 m / 76,00 m) x 14,00 m x (5,00 / 5,12 m) Armament: 2 - 9,45" / 240 mm 40,0 cal guns - 404,25lbs / 183,37kg shells, 80 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1908 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 6 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1908 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 4 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread Weight of broadside 1 029 lbs / 467 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,09" / 180 mm 118,11 ft / 36,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 32,81 ft / 10,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 73% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 7,09" / 180 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 5,91" / 150 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,42" / 36 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,87" / 22 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,18" / 30 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Diesel Internal combustion motors, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 8 343 shp / 6 224 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 218 tons Complement: 203 - 265 Cost: £0,235 million / $0,939 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 240 tons, 7,9% - Guns: 240 tons, 7,9% Armour: 848 tons, 28,0% - Belts: 490 tons, 16,2% - Armament: 149 tons, 4,9% - Armour Deck: 205 tons, 6,8% - Conning Tower: 5 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 421 tons, 13,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 282 tons, 42,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 236 tons, 7,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 5 098 lbs / 2 312 Kg = 12,1 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 1,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,23 Metacentric height 2,3 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 12,8 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,49 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,09 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,564 / 0,568 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,43 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,87 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 40,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 25,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,04 ft / 4,28 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109,8% Waterplane Area: 8 434 Square feet or 784 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124% Structure weight / hull surface area: 111 lbs/sq ft or 542 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,16 - Longitudinal: 5,13 - Overall: 1,35 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room

 Отправлено: 23.11.19 21:48. Заголовок: аи ответ-развитие фл..

аи ответ-развитие флота Франции:

1. ЛгБРКР (4-5х2, кормовые возвышенно) 138, 6-8 64, 4-8 ТА, борт -палуба 60-30, 28-29 уз (проект ув. гр. Цеппелина Тетис +-)
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2. ТКР т. "Примоге"-11 (6666 т норм): 6 (4) в 3-2х2 240, 8 100, 6 64, 6-8 ТА, 26 уз, борт-палуба 100-60, 2 шт вместо - ?

аи Примоге 1 мв, аи Франция аи Лг Бр КР - скаут laid down 1912

Displacement:
5 597 t light; 5 881 t standard; 6 661 t normal; 7 286 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (446,41 ft / 433,07 ft) x 52,49 ft x (19,69 / 21,05 ft) (136,07 m / 132,00 m) x 16,00 m x (6,00 / 6,41 m) Armament: 6 - 9,45" / 240 mm 45,0 cal guns - 425,39lbs / 192,95kg shells, 90 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 8 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1912 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 4 - 2,52" / 64,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,07lbs / 3,66kg shells, 150 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 2 831 lbs / 1 284 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 18,1" / 460 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,954 t each, 5,723 t total In 6 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,94" / 100 mm 255,91 ft / 78,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 0,79" / 20 mm 131,23 ft / 40,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 45,93 ft / 14,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 91% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 6,30" / 160 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 3,15" / 80 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Direct drive, 3 shafts, 28 652 shp / 21 375 Kw = 26,00 kts Range 3 900nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 405 tons Complement: 368 - 479 Cost: £0,608 million / $2,433 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 772 tons, 11,6% - Guns: 761 tons, 11,4% - Weapons: 11 tons, 0,2% Armour: 1 615 tons, 24,2% - Belts: 462 tons, 6,9% - Armament: 311 tons, 4,7% - Armour Deck: 812 tons, 12,2% - Conning Tower: 30 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 142 tons, 17,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 067 tons, 31,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 065 tons, 16,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 7 991 lbs / 3 625 Kg = 18,9 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 1,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12 Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 14,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,93 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,03 Hull form characteristics: Hull has low quarterdeck , a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,521 / 0,533 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,25 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,06 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 33,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 32,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,68 ft / 4,78 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133,7% Waterplane Area: 16 066 Square feet or 1 493 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106% Structure weight / hull surface area: 101 lbs/sq ft or 494 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,89 - Longitudinal: 1,88 - Overall: 0,96 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Что ответят итальянцы? М.б. 2х3 12", 8 100-120, 28-32 уз, борт 80, палуба 40. - ? 2 ед. Вместо - ? Сан Джорджио.

 Отправлено: 25.11.19 19:39. Заголовок: Вновь возвращаясь е ..

Вновь возвращаясь к идее автожира.
На 1910 год первые разработки, к концу 1913 образцы сухопутного и гидро.
Гидро: 1,5-2 т, 1 тяговый 150 (200) л.с. - 80 с грузом, 100 - с пилотом. Второй двигатель 30 л.с. для вертикальных движений и маневрирования. Высота: с грузом 300 м, без груза - 1200 м. Пробег - 30-40 м или катапульта. Диаметр винта - 12 м, длина - 7 м (поплавки катамаранного типа с возможностью подвешивать под мостом груз, как и под небольшие крылья (мини-биплан ???)
Запас топлива 250 км (110 миль), 3 часа. Вооружение: 1 пулемет, груз - 700 кг (радиостанция и 200 кг, торпеда на 600-700 кг /380 мм, 90 кг БЧ, 5 м, скорость 30 уз, 4-5 каб./ или 6 100 кг.

На АвиаКР или АвиаТР по 24 - 18 (36-24) штук + 6-9 классических гидроразведчиков. Действия в составе линейных сил, т.е. с дальности 20-30 миль.

Параллельно и "линейная эскадренная ПЛ": 700-900 (подводное 900-1100) т, дизели или турбины(6000) -электро 22-24 (7-8) уз, Дальность 1100. 3-6 ед. в серии.

Как ПЛ ЛнЭПЛ, так и гидроавтожиры выполняют роль легких торпедных сил быстрого действия.
2 66, 4 ТА в носу корпусные, 6 ТА трубчатые побортно на верхней палубе. Глубина - 40 м, 55/67-4/5-3/3 м.

 Отправлено: 29.11.19 19:02. Заголовок: Какой может быть стр..

Какой может быть структура аи АВ флота с принятием на вооружение тактики маневренных ударных групп?

Предлагается такой состав эскадры:
1. линейный отряд: 1 ЛК (Дредноут, а) 8-12" или б) 8-15"/12 - 12", 20-21 уз) , 1 лг.лидер (8 - 100мм, 4-6 та, 26-28 уз), 4 МН (400 т, 6 - 66, 6 ТА, 28-30 уз),
2. Передовой отряд: 1 ЛинКР ( а)6-240, б) 6- 305, 26-28 уз), 1 Лг. лидер, 4 МН,
3. Разведывательный отряд: 1 Т.КР (8-190, 28 уз, 1 Лг.КР (8-120, 28 уз, 2 т. лидера (4-120, 4-6 та, 30 уз). 6 лг. ЭМ (2-100, 4 та, 30 уз),
4. Миноносный отряд: 1 т. лидер (4-120, 4-6 та, 28-30 уз), 3 т.ЭМ (4-100, 6 та, 30 уз),
5. Отряд поддержки: 2 Ав-КР (24 самолета/лг.гидросамолет, 6-12 автожиров, 6 100, 8-66, 24-26 уз), 1 БхАв-ТР (3-4 100, 22-24 уз, 6-9 гидросамолетов, 9-12 автожиров), 1 Бх-ТР (1-100, 4-66, 3 гидросамолета, 3-6 автожтров, 22-24 уз, 1 Бх-Танкер (22-24 уз, 4000т, 4-66)

Флот: 4 маневренных Эскадры, Эскадра БО (Отряд минно-тральных сил, Отряды базовой обороны, Учебный отряд, Отряд высадочных средств, Отряд подвижного базирования, Отряд транспортного обеспечения), Эскадра подводных сил, Эскадра речных кораблей.

Базовая авиация (воздухоплавательное, транспортное, разведывательное, бомбардировочное, истребительное и учебное отделения/департаменты - гидро- и сухопутные дивизионы, Штаб ВВС),, Учебно-кадровые структуры, Госпитали и структуры обеспечения, Ремонтно-строительные комплексы.

Десантный корпус. Ген. мор. штаб. Научные центры. + ???

"Флот трех операций":
официально - отражение десанта, разгром блокирующих сил, атака резервов неприятеля.
Реальное предназначение: обеспечение и высадка десанта, обеспечение коммуникаций, сковывание флота неприятеля.

 Отправлено: 30.11.19 15:42. Заголовок: Схема операции "..

Схема операции "Учения" ( синие линии - высадка и движение первые 6-24 часа, зеленые - 12-48 часов, оранжевые - 24-36-48 часов от начала действия).

 Отправлено: 15.12.19 10:57. Заголовок: Поиск типа МН для Ад..

Поиск типа МН для Адриатики: 200-300 т, 22-26 уз, 2-6 ТА. К 1 МВ - 300т, 28-30 уз, турбины, 2 винта, 900-1200 миль на 14 уз, 3 66 (2 в корме), 2 37, 6 ТА (2х2 в корме, 2х1 по типу "Люрсен" в носу).

Версия 1902 г.
аи МН т74, аи АВ аи МН laid down 1902

Displacement:
227 t light; 233 t standard; 250 t normal; 264 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (188,58 ft / 180,45 ft) x 19,69 ft x (4,92 / 5,11 ft) (57,48 m / 55,00 m) x 6,00 m x (1,50 / 1,56 m) Armament: 2 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 8,41lbs / 3,81kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward Weight of broadside 20 lbs / 9 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,739 t each, 1,477 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes 2nd Torpedoes 2 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,739 t each, 1,477 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Armour: - Conning towers: Forward 0,24" / 6 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4 021 ihp / 2 999 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 600nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 31 tons (100% coal) Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery Complement: 30 - 40 Cost: £0,030 million / $0,120 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 9 tons, 3,4% - Guns: 4 tons, 1,5% - Weapons: 5 tons, 1,9% Armour: 0 tons, 0,1% - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 150 tons, 60,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 68 tons, 27,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 24 tons, 9,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 72 lbs / 33 Kg = 0,7 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,48 Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 8,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,09 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,15 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,501 / 0,508 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,17 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 15,43 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 14,11 ft / 4,30 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 12,14 ft / 3,70 m, 12,14 ft / 3,70 m - Aft deck: 39,00%, 7,55 ft / 2,30 m, 7,55 ft / 2,30 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 7,55 ft / 2,30 m, 8,86 ft / 2,70 m - Average freeboard: 10,03 ft / 3,06 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 197,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98,6% Waterplane Area: 2 463 Square feet or 229 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 20% Structure weight / hull surface area: 14 lbs/sq ft or 68 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,41 - Longitudinal: 3,00 - Overall: 0,50 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room