Отправлено: 19.03.13 14:06. Заголовок: Сбалансированный бронированный лидер СССР

Меня очень долго не опускала мысль сделать из лидеров типа Ленинград что-то более полезное. Потому что получились из них скорее переразмернные эсминцы.
Изначально мне давала покоя силовая мощностью 66 тысяч лошадиных сил. Если силовую такой мощи поставить в более крупный корпус, толку было бы значительно больше.
Второй момент - спаренные 130/55 пушки. Нравиться мне эта конструкция. Нечто подобное тогда обсуждалось но из-за маниакальной любви недобитых вредитлей к бесполезной высокой скорости - из этого ничего не вышло.

В итоге - полное водоизмещение 4500 тонн, силовая - 2 вала - 60-70 тысяч лошадиных сил, скорость 33-34 узла, броня - 40-50 мм борт и 20-25-мм палуба, вооружение - 4х2х130/55 + 4х2х45-мм, 2х4-5х533. По цене будет дешевле двух эсминцев проекта 7. При этом - мореходнось, прочность, живучесть.

Головной - лидер "Мариуполь" - заложен в 1934 году, вступил в строй в 1937. Всего построено - 16 единиц - по 4 для Севера и ТОФа, 4 для Балтики (сопровождение тяжелых крейсеров типа Москва) и 2 для Черного моря. В строй вступали по 3-4 штуки в год - 1937/1938/1939/1940/1941.

 Отправлено: 01.02.20 16:41. Заголовок: Удлиненный корпус аи..

Удлиненный корпус аи-Ленинграда

 Отправлено: 01.02.21 16:47. Заголовок: шарп-проект 4а аи ли..

шарп-проект 4а аи лидера аи-"Ленинград":
laid down 1934

Displacement:
2 017 t light; 2 117 t standard; 2 229 t normal; 2 319 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (387,97 ft / 364,17 ft) x 36,09 ft x (12,14 / 12,49 ft) (118,25 m / 111,00 m) x 11,00 m x (3,70 / 3,81 m) Armament: 8 - 5,12" / 130 mm 50,0 cal guns - 70,97lbs / 32,19kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 4 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 150 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 628 lbs / 285 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,532 t each, 6,129 t total In 1 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 70,55 lbs / 32,00 kg Depth Charges + 18 reloads - 0,630 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 324,80 ft / 99,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 137% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm 0,16" / 4 mm - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 45 257 shp / 33 762 Kw = 34,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 202 tons Complement: 161 - 210 Cost: £1,262 million / $5,047 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 136 tons, 6,1% - Guns: 123 tons, 5,5% - Weapons: 13 tons, 0,6% Armour: 129 tons, 5,8% - Belts: 49 tons, 2,2% - Armament: 12 tons, 0,5% - Armour Deck: 66 tons, 3,0% - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 094 tons, 49,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 657 tons, 29,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 212 tons, 9,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 789 lbs / 358 Kg = 11,8 x 5,1 " / 130 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,28 Metacentric height 1,7 ft / 0,5 m Roll period: 11,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,44 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,489 / 0,494 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,09 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,79 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 28,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 28,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 40,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Average freeboard: 17,08 ft / 5,21 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 173,5% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152,2% Waterplane Area: 9 014 Square feet or 837 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73% Structure weight / hull surface area: 41 lbs/sq ft or 199 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,57 - Longitudinal: 2,72 - Overall: 0,67 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

 Отправлено: 01.02.21 18:56. Заголовок: Небольшое дополнение..

Небольшое дополнение: супер-Новик, с короткими 130-мм - 130/45, пояс 12 мм вдоль КМО и сниженной скоростью до 31 узла. М.б. перепроектированы в 1923-24 и... по 3 на БФ, ЧФ и СФ. 1926-29. прото-лидеры.
laid down 1922

Displacement:
1 392 t light; 1 459 t standard; 1 533 t normal; 1 592 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (361,11 ft / 347,77 ft) x 31,17 ft x (12,47 / 12,77 ft) (110,07 m / 106,00 m) x 9,50 m x (3,80 / 3,89 m) Armament: 6 - 5,12" / 130 mm 45,0 cal guns - 67,61lbs / 30,67kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1922 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1922 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 412 lbs / 187 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,957 t each, 5,740 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 70,55 lbs / 32,00 kg Depth Charges + 18 reloads - 0,630 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 209,97 ft / 64,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 93% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,28" / 7 mm 0,16" / 4 mm - - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 23 373 shp / 17 437 Kw = 31,00 kts Range 1 600nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 134 tons Complement: 122 - 159 Cost: £0,456 million / $1,825 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 85 tons, 5,5% - Guns: 72 tons, 4,7% - Weapons: 12 tons, 0,8% Armour: 39 tons, 2,5% - Belts: 33 tons, 2,2% - Armament: 4 tons, 0,3% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 706 tons, 46,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 563 tons, 36,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 141 tons, 9,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 731 lbs / 332 Kg = 10,9 x 5,1 " / 130 mm shells or 0,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,27 Metacentric height 1,3 ft / 0,4 m Roll period: 11,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,37 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,09 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,397 / 0,403 Length to Beam Ratio: 11,16 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,39 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 24,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 43,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 12,83 ft / 3,91 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 162,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 107,3% Waterplane Area: 6 911 Square feet or 642 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 85% Structure weight / hull surface area: 46 lbs/sq ft or 226 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,78 - Longitudinal: 2,20 - Overall: 0,87 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room

 Отправлено: 10.02.21 11:17. Заголовок: Пан директор пишет: ..

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Я дико извиняюсь, но такое уже есть. С ГАС и бомбомётами.

Я дико извиняюсь, но на шыша ему тогда ПТУ? хватит пары дизелей от Семёрок. Эшелонно, конечно, и вес немалый -- зато можно сократить запас топлива втрое.