Если взрослого мыша взять и, бережно держа, напихать в него иголок Вы получите ежа. Если этого ежа, нос заткнув, чтоб не дышал, Где поглубже, бросить в речку Вы получите ерша. Если этого ерша, головой в тисках зажав, посильней тянуть за хвост Вы получите ужа. Если этого ужа, приготовив два ножа... Впрочем, он наверно сдохнет: Hо идея хороша!
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (260,09 ft / 242,78 ft) x 52,49 ft x (14,76 / 15,10 ft) (79,27 m / 74,00 m) x 16,00 m x (4,50 / 4,60 m)
Armament: 6 - 7,99" / 203 mm 45,0 cal guns - 257,42lbs / 116,76kg shells, 90 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1926 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 6 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1926 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 550 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1926 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 1 633 lbs / 741 kg
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 124,67 ft / 38,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 104,99 ft / 32,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 79% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 0,28" / 7 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,52" / 64 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 1,26" / 32 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 5 462 shp / 4 075 Kw = 16,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 203 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 5 420 lbs / 2 459 Kg = 21,2 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15 Metacentric height 2,5 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 14,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,83 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,39
Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,566 / 0,570 Length to Beam Ratio: 4,63 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,92 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 39,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m - Average freeboard: 13,48 ft / 4,11 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 63,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109,5% Waterplane Area: 9 403 Square feet or 874 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117% Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 600 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,95 - Longitudinal: 4,94 - Overall: 1,12 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Впечатление, что получилось несколько лучше оригинала, особенно по вооружению и защите. И ходовые качества не хуже. [img class=smile" src=/gif/smk/sm38.gif]
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (220,31 ft / 206,69 ft) x 21,33 ft x (6,56 / 6,73 ft) (67,15 m / 63,00 m) x 6,50 m x (2,00 / 2,05 m)
Armament: 6 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 450 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 87 lbs / 40 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,001 t each, 4,003 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 105,82 lbs / 48,00 kg Depth Charges + 18 reloads - 0,945 t total in Stern depth charge racks
Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,35" / 9 mm 0,24" / 6 mm -
- Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 8 706 shp / 6 494 Kw = 27,00 kts Range 1 300nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 35 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 223 lbs / 101 Kg = 2,1 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17 Metacentric height 0,7 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 11,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 46 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,37 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,86
Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,537 / 0,542 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,69 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 16,38 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 73 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 18,37 ft / 5,60 m, 14,11 ft / 4,30 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 14,11 ft / 4,30 m, 14,11 ft / 4,30 m - Aft deck: 44,00%, 8,53 ft / 2,60 m, 8,53 ft / 2,60 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 8,53 ft / 2,60 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,30 ft / 3,45 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 162,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99,3% Waterplane Area: 3 163 Square feet or 294 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 80% Structure weight / hull surface area: 26 lbs/sq ft or 129 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,63 - Longitudinal: 4,81 - Overall: 0,77 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (321,43 ft / 301,84 ft) x 37,73 ft x (13,78 / 14,56 ft) (97,97 m / 92,00 m) x 11,50 m x (4,20 / 4,44 m)
Armament: 6 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model 2 x Twin mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 1 x Twin mount on centreline, forward deck forward 4 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 350 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 550 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 710 lbs / 322 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,009 t each, 4,035 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 99,21 lbs / 45,00 kg Depth Charges + 18 reloads - 0,886 t total in Depth charge throwers
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 187,01 ft / 57,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 0,79" / 20 mm 108,27 ft / 33,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 95% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 2nd: 0,35" / 9 mm - - 3rd: 0,28" / 7 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,10" / 28 mm Forecastle: 0,63" / 16 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 0,79" / 20 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 18 241 shp / 13 607 Kw = 26,00 kts Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 395 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 353 lbs / 1 521 Kg = 31,3 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05 Metacentric height 1,3 ft / 0,4 m Roll period: 14,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,00 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01
Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,550 / 0,558 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 20,07 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,98 ft / 4,87 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133,0% Waterplane Area: 8 274 Square feet or 769 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123% Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 376 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,94 - Longitudinal: 4,38 - Overall: 1,10 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Отправлено: 25.12.20 09:19. Заголовок: Можно предположить, ..
Можно предположить, что развитие современного флота Таиланда-Сиама произошло под влиянием прогресса и успехов экономики и флота Японии с конца 19 века. Дополнительный толчок произошел после окончания 1 мировой войны и Великой депрессии на фоне относительного снижения цен на корабли и строительство. Просматривается и некоторый эффект влияния "блоковой"-"осевой" политики: Англия - Япония (Португалия) и Япония - Сиам, Китай - Корея.
Ещё возможная развилка аи - с конца/середины 19 века.
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (256,46 ft / 236,22 ft) x 26,25 ft x (7,55 / 7,76 ft) (78,17 m / 72,00 m) x 8,00 m x (2,30 / 2,37 m)
Armament: 6 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 1 raised mount aft 1 x Twin mount on centreline, forward deck forward 8 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 0,51lbs / 0,23kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 4 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 189 lbs / 86 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,528 t each, 9,170 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 112,44 lbs / 51,00 kg Depth Charges + 18 reloads - 1,004 t total in Depth charge throwers
Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,35" / 9 mm - - 2nd: 0,28" / 7 mm - -
- Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 10 286 shp / 7 673 Kw = 27,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 60 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 370 lbs / 168 Kg = 12,1 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,25 Metacentric height 1,0 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 11,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,42 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01
Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,501 / 0,506 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,68 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 45,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 12,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Average freeboard: 12,50 ft / 3,81 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 156,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109,4% Waterplane Area: 4 300 Square feet or 399 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96% Structure weight / hull surface area: 32 lbs/sq ft or 155 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,64 - Longitudinal: 3,78 - Overall: 0,77 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Для большей "реальности" представленных для рассмотрения аи проектов ВМС Сиама водоизмещение следовало-бы увеличить на треть.
Отправлено: 13.01.21 17:57. Заголовок: Исходя из наличия та..
Исходя из наличия такого кораблика как «Чакри Нарубет», можно предложить аи-Сиаму к 1938 построить "пропорционально" иной/или пару лг.АВ, м.б. с японской помощью. 6-8 000 т, 26 уз, 6-8 76 зенитных и 4-8 20-25мм. 12-18 самолетов и 1-2 катапульты. В пределах легких эскортных АВ.
Голландско-японско-сиамский проект для ограниченных акваторий СССР "III ИнтернационалЪ" - по 2 для Сиама, С, Ч и Б морей. Возможен вариант увеличения скорости до 26-28 уз, а при повышении водоизмещения до 4000 т - до 28-30 уз. 3х2 203/50, 12 (6х2) 76, 4х1 (4х2) 37-40, 2х3 та, Б 90-30, Бш, Р - 60-40, п 20-36. 2000 миль 14 уз.
laid down 1934
Displacement: 2 644 t light; 2 831 t standard; 3 012 t normal; 3 157 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (378,64 ft / 364,17 ft) x 50,52 ft x (11,48 / 11,88 ft) (115,41 m / 111,00 m) x 15,40 m x (3,50 / 3,62 m)
Armament: 6 - 7,99" / 203 mm 50,0 cal guns - 270,21lbs / 122,57kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1934 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 180 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck forward 2 raised mounts 4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 1 790 lbs / 812 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,532 t each, 9,194 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 0,00 lbs / 0,00 kg Depth Charges - 0,000 t total in Stern depth charge racks
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 229,66 ft / 70,00 m 7,87 ft / 2,40 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 36,09 ft / 11,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 97% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 1,77" / 45 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - -
- Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,34" / 34 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 1,02" / 26 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 14 139 shp / 10 548 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 326 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 156 lbs / 1 432 Kg = 12,4 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14 Metacentric height 2,3 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 14,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,93 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,05
Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,499 / 0,505 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,21 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,39 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m - Aft deck: 23,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,49 ft / 4,72 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 173,7% Waterplane Area: 12 737 Square feet or 1 183 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93% Structure weight / hull surface area: 70 lbs/sq ft or 344 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,61 - Longitudinal: 1,59 - Overall: 0,67 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Отправлено: 11.02.21 09:34. Заголовок: von Echenbach пишет:..
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аи "Шри Аюта" как воплощение идеи (неполной) карманного линкора в броненосце береговой обороны: laid down 1926
Не слишком ли тихоходно? Моя версия (с дизелями от немецких катеров, можно в спарках, а центральный вал с ВРШ крутить среднебыстроходным "подлодочным")
Sri Ayuta, Siam/made by Germany/Japan Coastal defence ship laid down 1927 (Engine 1933) --- Скрытый текст
Displacement: 2 682 t light; 2 831 t standard; 2 914 t normal; 2 981 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (305,98 ft / 288,71 ft) x 45,93 ft x (14,76 / 15,02 ft) (93,26 m / 88,00 m) x 14,00 m x (4,50 / 4,58 m)
Armament: 6 - 7,99" / 203 mm 45,0 cal guns - 257,42lbs / 116,76kg shells, 90 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1927 Model 2 x Triple mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 1 raised mount aft 6 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1927 Model 6 x Single mounts on side ends, majority forward 4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 1,87lbs / 0,85kg shells, 550 per gun Anti-air guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1927 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on sides amidships Weight of broadside 1 633 lbs / 741 kg
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,46" / 88 mm 147,64 ft / 45,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 2,01" / 51 mm 141,08 ft / 43,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Main Belt covers 79% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads: 0,31" / 8 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Beam between torpedo bulkheads 39,37 ft / 12,00 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 3,46" / 88 mm 1,10" / 28 mm 4,02" / 102 mm 2nd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - 3rd: 0,28" / 7 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,48" / 63 mm Forecastle: 0,51" / 13 mm Quarter deck: 1,50" / 38 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 4,02" / 102 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Petrol Internal combustion motors, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 5 601 shp / 4 178 Kw = 18,00 kts Range 2 000nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 150 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 5 098 lbs / 2 313 Kg = 20,0 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17 Metacentric height 2,1 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 13,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 38 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,98 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,07
Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,521 / 0,524 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,29 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 16,99 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 27 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 39,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m - Average freeboard: 13,48 ft / 4,11 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 75,8% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108,6% Waterplane Area: 9 008 Square feet or 837 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112% Structure weight / hull surface area: 108 lbs/sq ft or 528 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,88 - Longitudinal: 3,29 - Overall: 1,00 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room
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Бронепалубу, кстати, можно смело укорачивать и за тот счёт раскидывать бронирование, но мне некогда сейчас играть цифрами на более серьёзном уровне.
Отправлено: 12.02.21 11:46. Заголовок: dr5r пишет: Не слиш..
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Не слишком ли тихоходно?
Сиамцам некуда особо спешить. Метод "засад": создание угрозы колониальным трассам и портам с отходом на позиции ПЛ, как вариант - после обстрела порта. + Взаимодействие с авиацией. Несомненно, уровень применения и мышления отличается от реально-исторического, но... Для увеличения дальности можно заранее выставлять замаскированные под "острова" небольшие танкеры, при высоком борте или полубаке мореходности будет достаточно, если в ураган-тайфун не попадёт.
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Моя версия (с дизелями от...
Весьма аккуратный проект. Т.о. мы видим, что при небольшом увеличении размеров и мощности машин, могут вполне появляться значительно более сбалансированные корабли.
Если "Germany/Japan", то дизеля скорее будут японской лицензией немецких. И зачем усложнять со средним ВРШ? Возможно, при решении на применение ВРШ - поставить их на два вала? Напрашивается турбо-электрическая схема с прямоточными котлами и турбинами-генераторами (в три режима: малой-средней и полной нагрузкой, как отсвет идей Рамзина с УТК) :-) Не только же СССР тратить деньги. М.б. у немецко-японских сиамцев получится для малых размеров?
Отправлено: 21.02.21 07:21. Заголовок: von Echenbach пишет:..
von Echenbach пишет:
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при небольшом увеличении размеров и мощности машин
)) КОП больше, машины мощней, брони поболя, а линейный размер корытца -- меньше. И башен всего две
von Echenbach пишет:
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при решении на применение ВРШ - поставить их на два вала? Напрашивается турбо-электрическая схема с прямоточными котлами и турбинами-генераторами (в три режима: малой-средней и полной нагрузкой, как отсвет идей Рамзина с УТК) :-) Не только же СССР тратить деньги. М.б. у немецко-японских сиамцев получится для малых размеров?
На двух валах они не особо нужны, а среднебыстроходные дизеля мешают высокооборотникам, понадобится гидрозубчатая передача, у которой КПД ниже. А КПД турбоэлектро -- ещё ниже (и запас топлива ещё больше), там только что на мазуте пилить сможет, но достоинство ли то, или нет -- не уверен.
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (438,84 ft / 419,95 ft) x 59,06 ft x (16,40 / 16,62 ft) (133,76 m / 128,00 m) x 18,00 m x (5,00 / 5,06 m)
Armament: 6 - 11,02" / 280 mm 45,0 cal guns - 675,51lbs / 306,40kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 8 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 20,97lbs / 9,51kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 550 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 raised mounts 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 4 raised mounts Weight of broadside 4 234 lbs / 1 921 kg
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,09" / 180 mm 246,06 ft / 75,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 124,67 ft / 38,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 49,21 ft / 15,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 90% of normal length Main Belt inclined 17,00 degrees (positive = in)
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,28" / 7 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - -
- Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,87" / 22 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 0,87" / 22 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Diesel Internal combustion generators, Electric motors, 2 shafts, 23 205 shp / 17 311 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 244 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 8 291 lbs / 3 761 Kg = 12,4 x 11,0 " / 280 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14 Metacentric height 2,9 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 14,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,89 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,02
Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a straight bulbous bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,552 / 0,554 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,11 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,27 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,41 ft / 4,70 m Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140,0% Waterplane Area: 17 768 Square feet or 1 651 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99% Structure weight / hull surface area: 132 lbs/sq ft or 646 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,94 - Longitudinal: 2,07 - Overall: 1,02 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Вариант Б: 9000 т, 23 уз, 3х3 280, Б 180.
laid down 1933, Displacement: 7 973 t light; 8 580 t standard; 8 749 t normal; 8 884 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (465,09 ft / 446,19 ft) x 68,90 ft x (18,04 / 18,27 ft) (141,76 m / 136,00 m) x 21,00 m x (5,50 / 5,57 m)
Armament: 9 - 11,02" / 280 mm 45,0 cal guns - 675,51lbs / 306,40kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 8 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 20,97lbs / 9,51kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 550 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 raised mounts 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 4 raised mounts Weight of broadside 6 261 lbs / 2 840 kg
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,09" / 180 mm 252,62 ft / 77,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 141,08 ft / 43,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 52,49 ft / 16,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 87% of normal length Main Belt inclined 17,00 degrees (positive = in)
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,28" / 7 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - -
- Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,87" / 22 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 0,87" / 22 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Diesel Internal combustion generators, Electric motors, 2 shafts, 23 865 shp / 17 803 Kw = 23,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 303 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 11 075 lbs / 5 024 Kg = 16,5 x 11,0 " / 280 mm shells or 1,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12 Metacentric height 3,6 ft / 1,1 m Roll period: 15,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,90 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,03
Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a straight bulbous bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,552 / 0,554 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,48 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,06 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,41 ft / 4,70 m Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137,3% Waterplane Area: 22 025 Square feet or 2 046 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101% Structure weight / hull surface area: 162 lbs/sq ft or 790 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,97 - Longitudinal: 2,06 - Overall: 1,04 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (270,02 ft / 255,91 ft) x 52,49 ft x (13,12 / 13,32 ft) (82,30 m / 78,00 m) x 16,00 m x (4,00 / 4,06 m)
Armament: 9 - 7,99" / 203 mm 45,0 cal guns - 257,42lbs / 116,76kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1934 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 2,11lbs / 0,96kg shells, 450 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 raised mounts - superfiring 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 2 raised mounts - superfiring Weight of broadside 2 496 lbs / 1 132 kg
Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 134,51 ft / 41,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 1,57" / 40 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 81% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - -
- Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,26" / 32 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 1,10" / 28 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 3,15" / 80 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
Machinery: Diesel Internal combustion motors, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 4 125 shp / 3 077 Kw = 16,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 125 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 4 346 lbs / 1 972 Kg = 17,0 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,18 Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 13,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,00 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,32
Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,612 / 0,614 Length to Beam Ratio: 4,88 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 16,00 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Forward deck: 43,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 24,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 13,50 ft / 4,11 m
Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79,8% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119,4% Waterplane Area: 9 936 Square feet or 923 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95% Structure weight / hull surface area: 113 lbs/sq ft or 554 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,81 - Longitudinal: 3,51 - Overall: 0,94 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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