Отправлено: 19.11.22 09:38. Заголовок: Альтернативный Испанский Флот к Американо-Испанской Войне 1898 года

Фактически испанский флот в битве при Сантьяго-де-Куба имел:
3 броненосных крейсера типа Инфанта Мария Тереза
«Инфанта Мария Тереза» — заложен 24 июля 1889, спущен 30 августа 1890, вступил в строй 28 августа 1893 года.
«Бискайя» — заложен 7 октября 1889, спущен 4 октября 1891, вступил в строй 2 августа 1894 года.
«Альмиранте Окендо» — заложен 16 ноября 1889, спущен 4 октября 1891, вступил в строй 21 августа 1895 года.
1 броненосный крейсер "Кристобаль Колон" типа Giuseppe Garibaldi
2 эсминца («истребителя») — «Фурор» и «Плутон»
1 безбронный крейсер «Reina Mercedes» (3000 т., 16 узлов, шесть 160-мм орудий)

Американский флот:
1 броненосный крейсер «Бруклин» (9100 т., 22 узла, восемь 203-мм и двенадцать 127-мм орудий),
3 броненосца 1-го класса: «Айова» (11400 т., 16 узлов, четыре 305-мм, восемь 203-мм и шесть 102-мм орудий), «Индиана» и «Орегон» (по 10300 т., 15 узлов, четыре 330-мм, восемь 203 и четыре 152-мм орудий),
1 броненосец 2-го класса «Техас» (6100 т., 17 узлов, два 305-мм и шесть 152-мм орудий).
1 вспомогательный крейсер (вооружённая яхта) «Глочестер» (800 т. 17 узлов, четыре 152-мм орудия)

 Отправлено: 19.11.22 10:08. Заголовок: При этом у испанцев ..

При этом у испанцев был в это время барбетный броненосец Pelayo - ромб французского проекта. - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE_(%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%86)
Единственный броненосец испанского флота, использовавшийся в основном для представительских целей.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cruisers_of_Spain
На войну не успели:
Новейший крейсер Emperador Carlos V тоже на войну не успел. - https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_V_(1898)
Развитием тройки типа "Инфанта Мария Тереза" стала тройка типа Принцесса де Астуриас (по-испански - Clase Cardenal Cisneros) - https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clase_Cardenal_Cisneros
3 крейсера Reina Regente-class cruiser - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reina_Regente-class_cruiser

Кораблей типа Reina Mercedes построили в общей сложности 3 штуки - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0_%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B0_%C2%AB%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%C2%BB
8 клиперов типа Velasco-class cruiser - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velasco-class_cruiser
3 лёгких крейсера Aragon-class cruiser - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragon-class_cruiser
3 канонерки типа Isla de Luzón - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Isla_de_Luzon_(1886)

Плюс было некоторое количество миноносцев и собственно всё.

И до этого в 1860-х года Испания построила 7 парусных броненосцев
4 батарейных броненосца:
Numancia,
Tetuán,
Arapiles,
Vitoria
3 с Central battery ironclads:
Zaragoza,
Sagunto,
Méndez
Núñez

 Отправлено: 19.11.22 11:16. Заголовок: Собственно понятно ч..

Собственно понятно что драться с самым лютым мировым хищником Испания не могла, но вот дать по зубам - вполне.

Для боя нам нужны полноценные башенные или хотя бы барбетные броненосцы.
На Кубе должно быть хотя бы два, а лучше три. Плюс 2-3 корабля на ремонте и в Испании. Т.е. к 1898 году нужно иметь 4-5-6 броненосцев. Хотябы 4 в строю и 2 в постройке.
Плюс противокрейсерские силы. Плюс миноносцы для атаки возле берега крупных кораблей.
Плюс артиллерия береговой обороны.

 Отправлено: 19.11.22 11:56. Заголовок: По срокам можно сдел..

По срокам можно сделать так
1880-е - строим крейсерский флот. Можно строить относительно крупные мореходные корабли. 5-6 броненосных крейсеров о 5-6 тысяч тонн и 6 крейсеров по 3000 тонн (их столько в реальности и построили) вполне будет достаточно
1890-е - броненосный флот. 5-6 броненосцев и 2-3 броненосца береговой обороны для обороны Гаваны.

 Отправлено: 19.11.22 20:30. Заголовок: Характеристики (каче..

Характеристики (качество и возможности) верфей, заводов, судостроения и финансирования вместе с прочими проблемами экономики и политики остаются близкими к реальности? И перетасовываем проекты в пределах исторических цифр водоизмещения при исторических показателях ттх машин и вооружения +- несколько %?
Условия ремонта, снабжения, базирования и обучения? Качество аи-управления и командования?

 Отправлено: 19.11.22 23:18. Заголовок: аи-проект некоторого..

аи-проект некоторого гибрида Ам. Бодин, Бранденбург и Инф. Мария-Тереза с Капитан Пратт, 3-6 ед:
laid down 1887, Central citadel ship, Displacement: 6 246 t light; 6 649 t standard; 7 016 t normal; 7 309 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (380,58 ft / 364,17 ft) x 59,06 ft x (19,69 / 20,35 ft) (116,00 m / 111,00 m) x 18,00 m x (6,00 / 6,20 m) Armament: 6 - 9,45" / 240 mm 38,0 cal guns - 440,92lbs / 200,00kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1887 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 12 - 5,51" / 140 mm 45,0 cal guns - 82,52lbs / 37,43kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1887 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas 6 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 5,18lbs / 2,35kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1887 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 3 667 lbs / 1 663 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,207 t each, 0,827 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,09" / 180 mm 216,54 ft / 66,00 m 7,22 ft / 2,20 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 144,36 ft / 44,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 91% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 7,09" / 180 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,42" / 36 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,09" / 180 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11 568 ihp / 8 630 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 2 400nm at 10,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 660 tons (100% coal) Complement: 383 - 498 Cost: £0,761 million / $3,042 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 728 tons, 10,4% - Guns: 727 tons, 10,4% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 1 490 tons, 21,2% - Belts: 621 tons, 8,8% - Armament: 439 tons, 6,3% - Armour Deck: 374 tons, 5,3% - Conning Tower: 56 tons, 0,8% Machinery: 2 202 tons, 31,4% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 825 tons, 26,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 770 tons, 11,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 336 lbs / 1 513 Kg = 8,3 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 5,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,35 Metacentric height 3,9 ft / 1,2 m Roll period: 12,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 83 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,71 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,67 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , an extended bulbous bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,580 / 0,585 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,17 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19,08 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 25,26 ft / 7,70 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 38,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,74 ft / 5,10 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 133,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112,9% Waterplane Area: 15 438 Square feet or 1 434 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 86% Structure weight / hull surface area: 97 lbs/sq ft or 476 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,71 - Longitudinal: 1,93 - Overall: 0,79 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

 Отправлено: 20.11.22 18:21. Заголовок: Более ранний проект ..

Более ранний проект аи-"Реина Кристина", 3 ед. для аи-Азиатского флота, "зеркало" "Синопа"- laid down 1884, Barbette ship, Displacement: 2 923 t light; 3 156 t standard; 3 334 t normal; 3 476 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (336,88 ft / 324,80 ft) x 52,49 ft x (11,48 / 11,88 ft) (102,68 m / 99,00 m) x 16,00 m x (3,50 / 3,62 m) Armament: 6 - 9,45" / 240 mm 35,0 cal guns - 377,28lbs / 171,13kg shells, 90 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1884 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck centre 8 - 5,51" / 140 mm 40,0 cal guns - 76,55lbs / 34,72kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1884 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas 6 - 2,01" / 51,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 3,62lbs / 1,64kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1884 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 2 898 lbs / 1 314 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,181 t each, 0,725 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 5,51" / 140 mm 246,06 ft / 75,00 m 7,22 ft / 2,20 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 117% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: - - 7,09" / 180 mm 2nd: 0,71" / 18 mm - - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,71" / 18 mm Forecastle: 0,55" / 14 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,01" / 51 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4 186 ihp / 3 123 Kw = 16,00 kts Range 2 000nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 321 tons (100% coal) Complement: 219 - 285 Cost: £0,353 million / $1,411 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 571 tons, 17,1% - Guns: 570 tons, 17,1% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 1 011 tons, 30,3% - Belts: 415 tons, 12,4% - Armament: 425 tons, 12,8% - Armour Deck: 161 tons, 4,8% - Conning Tower: 10 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 774 tons, 23,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 567 tons, 17,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 411 tons, 12,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 1 704 lbs / 773 Kg = 4,4 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 5,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,55 Metacentric height 4,0 ft / 1,2 m Roll period: 11,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 87 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,62 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,74 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,596 / 0,600 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,19 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,02 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Average freeboard: 13,64 ft / 4,16 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 116,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 141,1% Waterplane Area: 12 424 Square feet or 1 154 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 83% Structure weight / hull surface area: 57 lbs/sq ft or 280 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,47 - Longitudinal: 1,02 - Overall: 0,51 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

 Отправлено: 20.11.22 18:42. Заголовок: аи-проект крейсера с..

аи-проект крейсера снабжения (рейдера), 6-9 ед. аи-"Веласко" - легкая броня, 1500 тонн груза, 4000 миль, 15 уз, 8 140/40 первых серий : laid down 1882, Displacement: 4 050 t light; 4 191 t standard; 4 455 t normal; 4 667 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (374,91 ft / 364,17 ft) x 49,21 ft x (13,12 / 13,66 ft) (114,27 m / 111,00 m) x 15,00 m x (4,00 / 4,16 m) Armament: 8 - 5,51" / 140 mm 40,0 cal guns - 75,27lbs / 34,14kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1882 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 - 2,01" / 51,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 3,56lbs / 1,61kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1882 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 631 lbs / 286 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,165 t each, 0,330 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,98" / 25 mm 154,20 ft / 47,00 m 7,22 ft / 2,20 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 65% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm - - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,71" / 18 mm Forecastle: 0,55" / 14 mm Quarter deck: 0,55" / 14 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,98" / 25 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 893 ihp / 2 904 Kw = 15,00 kts Range 4 000nm at 7,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 475 tons (100% coal) Complement: 272 - 354 Cost: £0,278 million / $1,112 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 97 tons, 2,2% - Guns: 97 tons, 2,2% - Weapons: 0 tons, 0,0% Armour: 244 tons, 5,5% - Belts: 52 tons, 1,2% - Armament: 10 tons, 0,2% - Armour Deck: 176 tons, 3,9% - Conning Tower: 6 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 784 tons, 17,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 455 tons, 32,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 406 tons, 9,1% Miscellaneous weights: 1 470 tons, 33,0% - Hull below water: 1 470 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 5 626 lbs / 2 552 Kg = 76,4 x 5,5 " / 140 mm shells or 8,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,73 Metacentric height 4,3 ft / 1,3 m Roll period: 10,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,12 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,663 / 0,667 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,40 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19,08 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 21,65 ft / 6,60 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 39,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 17,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 21,00 ft / 6,40 m - Average freeboard: 15,32 ft / 4,67 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99,5% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127,4% Waterplane Area: 13 893 Square feet or 1 291 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 126% Structure weight / hull surface area: 76 lbs/sq ft or 369 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,96 - Longitudinal: 1,45 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

 Отправлено: 20.11.22 19:02. Заголовок: аи-Колониальные крей..

аи-Колониальные крейсера малые (или мореходные колониальные большие канонерские лодки) типа аи-"Арагон", 6-12 ед.: laid down 1880,
Displacement: 1 702 t light; 1 755 t standard; 1 836 t normal; 1 901 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (261,55 ft / 252,62 ft) x 36,09 ft x (10,83 / 11,15 ft) (79,72 m / 77,00 m) x 11,00 m x (3,30 / 3,40 m) Armament: 6 - 4,72" / 120 mm 35,0 cal guns - 45,58lbs / 20,67kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1880 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 4 - 2,01" / 51,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 3,50lbs / 1,59kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1880 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 287 lbs / 130 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 14,2" / 360 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,130 t each, 0,260 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,71" / 18 mm 147,64 ft / 45,00 m 5,91 ft / 1,80 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 90% of normal length - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,98" / 25 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1 918 ihp / 1 431 Kw = 14,00 kts Range 2 000nm at 7,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 146 tons (100% coal) Complement: 139 - 182 Cost: £0,126 million / $0,503 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 35 tons, 1,9% - Guns: 35 tons, 1,9% - Weapons: 0 tons, 0,0% Armour: 79 tons, 4,3% - Belts: 27 tons, 1,5% - Armour Deck: 49 tons, 2,6% - Conning Tower: 3 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 396 tons, 21,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 981 tons, 53,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 134 tons, 7,3% Miscellaneous weights: 210 tons, 11,4% - Hull below water: 200 tons - Above deck: 10 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 140 lbs / 971 Kg = 47,8 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 8,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,37 Metacentric height 1,9 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 11,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,17 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,651 / 0,654 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 15,89 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Aft deck: 33,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 20,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,94 ft / 3,64 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 93,9% Waterplane Area: 6 991 Square feet or 649 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 155% Structure weight / hull surface area: 95 lbs/sq ft or 465 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,54 - Longitudinal: 3,02 - Overall: 1,65 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

 Отправлено: 22.11.22 12:16. Заголовок: аи-эволюция аи-минон..

аи-эволюция аи-миноносцев аи-Испании. Машины слабые, скорость мала, остойчивость низкая, артиллери мелкая от франков в исполнении первых серий старой технологии предприятия Онториа.
Учебные, портовые таможенные. С 1892-94 гг. сотрудничество с Норман, Шихау, Торникрофт и Ярроу - по два образца (тип-проекты -? в процессе).

по 6-8 штукЪ:
1. тип "Сарацин": laid down 1886, Displacement: 74 t light; 76 t standard; 77 t normal; 78 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (74,58 ft / 72,18 ft) x 16,40 ft x (4,92 / 4,96 ft) (22,73 m / 22,00 m) x 5,00 m x (1,50 / 1,51 m) Armament: 3 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 30,0 cal guns - 2,83lbs / 1,28kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward Weight of broadside 8 lbs / 4 kg Main Torpedoes 1 - 14,2" / 360 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedo - 0,176 t total In a deck mounted centre rotating tube 2nd Torpedoes 2 - 14,2" / 360 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,176 t each, 0,352 t total submerged bow tubes Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 1 shaft, 221 ihp / 165 Kw = 12,00 kts Range 150nm at 7,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 2 tons (100% coal) Complement: 12 - 16 Cost: £0,008 million / $0,033 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 2 tons, 3,0% - Guns: 1 tons, 1,7% - Weapons: 1 tons, 1,4% Machinery: 38 tons, 49,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 34 tons, 43,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 tons, 4,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 21 lbs / 9 Kg = 0,2 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,70 Metacentric height 0,8 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 7,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 41 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,03 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,68 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,462 / 0,463 Length to Beam Ratio: 4,40 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 8,50 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 13,00 degrees Stern overhang: 1,64 ft / 0,50 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m, 4,92 ft / 1,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 4,92 ft / 1,50 m, 4,92 ft / 1,50 m - Aft deck: 33,00%, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m - Quarter deck: 17,00%, 4,92 ft / 1,50 m, 4,92 ft / 1,50 m - Average freeboard: 4,25 ft / 1,30 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 219,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 33,0% Waterplane Area: 728 Square feet or 68 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87% Structure weight / hull surface area: 31 lbs/sq ft or 151 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,22 - Longitudinal: 5,29 - Overall: 1,41 Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

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2. тип "Герильерос": laid down 1888, Displacement: 138 t light; 141 t standard; 143 t normal; 144 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (105,35 ft / 101,71 ft) x 19,69 ft x (4,59 / 4,63 ft) (32,11 m / 31,00 m) x 6,00 m x (1,40 / 1,41 m) Armament: 2 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 30,0 cal guns - 2,88lbs / 1,30kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1888 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 14,2" / 360 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,193 t each, 0,386 t total In 1 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes 2nd Torpedoes 2 - 14,2" / 360 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,193 t each, 0,386 t total submerged bow tubes Armour: - Conning towers: Forward 0,28" / 7 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 277 ihp / 207 Kw = 12,00 kts Range 150nm at 7,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 3 tons (100% coal) Complement: 19 - 26 Cost: £0,012 million / $0,049 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 2 tons, 1,7% - Guns: 1 tons, 0,6% - Weapons: 2 tons, 1,1% Armour: 0 tons, 0,1% - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 52 tons, 36,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 83 tons, 58,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5 tons, 3,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 99 lbs / 45 Kg = 0,9 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,67 Metacentric height 1,0 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 8,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 48 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,01 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,92 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,543 / 0,544 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,17 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 10,08 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 1,64 ft / 0,50 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 5,25 ft / 1,60 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 5,25 ft / 1,60 m, 5,25 ft / 1,60 m - Aft deck: 34,00%, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m, 3,28 ft / 1,00 m - Quarter deck: 19,00%, 5,25 ft / 1,60 m, 5,25 ft / 1,60 m - Average freeboard: 4,67 ft / 1,42 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 140,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 49,2% Waterplane Area: 1 388 Square feet or 129 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 134% Structure weight / hull surface area: 44 lbs/sq ft or 217 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,71 - Longitudinal: 3,63 - Overall: 1,85 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

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3. тип "Конкистадор": laid down 1892, Displacement: 173 t light; 177 t standard; 181 t normal; 183 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (133,94 ft / 127,95 ft) x 16,40 ft x (6,23 / 6,30 ft) (40,83 m / 39,00 m) x 5,00 m x (1,90 / 1,92 m) Armament: 2 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 2,97lbs / 1,35kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,316 t each, 1,263 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes 2nd Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,316 t each, 0,632 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,98" / 25 mm 85,30 ft / 26,00 m 5,91 ft / 1,80 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 103% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,35" / 9 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,28" / 7 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1 070 ihp / 799 Kw = 17,00 kts Range 200nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 6 tons (100% coal) Complement: 24 - 32 Cost: £0,019 million / $0,077 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 4 tons, 2,4% - Guns: 1 tons, 0,6% - Weapons: 3 tons, 1,8% Armour: 28 tons, 15,6% - Belts: 21 tons, 11,5% - Armour Deck: 7 tons, 4,0% - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 92 tons, 51,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 49 tons, 26,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7 tons, 4,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 66 lbs / 30 Kg = 0,6 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,33 Metacentric height 0,5 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 9,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 42 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,02 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,70 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,483 / 0,485 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,80 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 11,31 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 7,87 ft / 2,40 m, 5,58 ft / 1,70 m - Forward deck: 28,00%, 5,58 ft / 1,70 m, 5,58 ft / 1,70 m - Aft deck: 36,00%, 3,94 ft / 1,20 m, 3,94 ft / 1,20 m - Quarter deck: 19,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m - Average freeboard: 5,64 ft / 1,72 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 166,8% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 29,2% Waterplane Area: 1 377 Square feet or 128 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 44% Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 103 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,81 - Longitudinal: 1,89 - Overall: 0,88 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

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Трубы с чехлами от искр/факелов в темноте, возможно - телескопические или заваливающиеся. По 2 котла = 2 трубы. В корме - каюты.

 Отправлено: 24.11.22 21:31. Заголовок: аи-ЭМ аи-Испании, пр..

аи-ЭМ аи-Испании, проектЪ № 25м, "Ксения". Первая серия - 6 шт., 1894: laid down 1894, Displacement: 358 t light; 369 t standard; 381 t normal; 391 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (237,18 ft / 226,38 ft) x 22,97 ft x (5,25 / 5,35 ft) (72,29 m / 69,00 m) x 7,00 m x (1,60 / 1,63 m) Armament: 5 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 8,41lbs / 3,81kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model 3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 42 lbs / 19 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,470 t each, 1,881 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes 2nd Torpedoes 2 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,470 t each, 0,941 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5 297 ihp / 3 951 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 500nm at 10,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 21 tons (80% coal) Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery Complement: 43 - 56 Cost: £0,046 million / $0,185 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 12 tons, 3,2% - Guns: 7 tons, 1,9% - Weapons: 5 tons, 1,3% Armour: 0 tons, 0,1% - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 227 tons, 59,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 118 tons, 31,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 23 tons, 6,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 112 lbs / 51 Kg = 1,0 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,49 Metacentric height 1,1 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 9,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,10 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,05 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,489 / 0,492 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,86 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 15,05 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m - Quarter deck: 16,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 9,49 ft / 2,89 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 197,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 92,9% Waterplane Area: 3 430 Square feet or 319 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 21% Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 101 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,56 - Longitudinal: 1,45 - Overall: 0,61 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room

66/40 - австрийские.
Серия броненосцев 1889 г - Усиленные" до 6ГК (3х2 или 2х3аи 240/37 с 220-240 кг снарядом и 3 выстр\мин) австрийский "Монарх" - 3 ед. И возможность "арендовать" 3 реальных БрБО т "Будапешт". + 3-4 крейсера и 12 мн.

ПЛ - ? Норденфельд, Зеде -? по 3-4 шт.

P.S.: коллеги, вы где?

 Отправлено: 24.11.22 22:24. Заголовок: Думаю что нужно дума..

Думаю что нужно думать в первую очередь о базовых кораблях
На 1880-е я бы взял самые модные французские барбетные ромбытого времени - Marceau, Le Magenta и творчески переработал.
Собственно Капитан Прат как раз из них и вырос.
Кстати как вариант
https://sergiovillaggio.livejournal.com/1130823.html

 Отправлено: 25.11.22 10:14. Заголовок: Пан директор пишет: ..

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На 1880-е я бы взял самые модные французские барбетные ромбытого времени - Marceau, Le Magenta и творчески переработал.

"Пелайо" получится Делаем вместо 320 и 280 четыре 305, как-то так.

 Отправлено: 25.11.22 17:47. Заголовок: Или 4х2 - 240-260. С..

Или 4х2 - 240-260. Скорострельность повыше будет, чем у 12", при ромбическом размещении - по 6 стволов практически в любой ракурс (а если "змейкой" барбеты расставить - то и 8 стволов на траверз будет).

 Отправлено: 25.11.22 20:47. Заголовок: Змейка маловероятна...

Змейка маловероятна...

 Отправлено: 25.11.22 23:12. Заголовок: GromoBoy пишет: Зме..

GromoBoy пишет:

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Змейка маловероятна...

Согласен, ромб впихновывается намного проще - скажем, между кочегарок. Но суть не в компоновке, а в более скорострельном ГК. Уж очень долго в то время крупняк заряжался - сперва надо орудийную башню/платформу на ДП выставить, а стволы - "на ноль", только после этого подавать снаряд/заряд к орудию... 240-260-мм мне кажется в плане перезарядки пошустрее будут...

 Отправлено: 26.11.22 11:41. Заголовок: Пан директор пишет: ..

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нужно думать в первую очередь о базовых кораблях

Так и получается - поначалу модернизация производства\средств производства, затем первые серии КЛ-колониальных кораблей (что-бы не вспугнуть ), и далее на франкской базе первые серии броненосцев.
От Прата с Бодином/Бранденбургом...

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Или 4х2 - 240-260. Скорострельность повыше будет, чем у 12", при ромбическом размещении - по 6 стволов практически в любой ракурс

GromoBoy пишет:

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"Пелайо" получится

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Кстати как вариант

Да, возможно от Дюпре-Баярда что-то взять.
С "экономией" одной установки при линейном положении.
240-260 у немцев (австрийцы думают о тяжелом снаряде - см. броненосцы А-В, Полуян) или шведо-голландцев.
Неплох проект "Вены" с добавлением палубы для улучшения мореходности + третья установка ГК и уменьшение СК в батарее - круг замкнулся.

Адмиральская яхта - посыльное\учебное судно - рейдер - разведчик при эскадре - аналог КР 2 ранга (что-то было с некоторой бронёй у конфедератов или испанцев \Танпако?); 4 ед "Принцесс Мерседес": 2-3 трубы с 2--4-6 котлами. миниАлмаз -
laid down 1890, Displacement: 850 t light; 887 t standard; 932 t normal; 967 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (268,12 ft / 255,91 ft) x 29,53 ft x (7,87 / 8,11 ft) (81,72 m / 78,00 m) x 9,00 m x (2,40 / 2,47 m) Armament: 4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 30,0 cal guns - 48,60lbs / 22,04kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 8 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 2,97lbs / 1,35kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 218 lbs / 99 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,234 t each, 0,469 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,98" / 25 mm 216,54 ft / 66,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 130% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,35" / 9 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1 821 ihp / 1 359 Kw = 16,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 7,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 80 tons (100% coal) Complement: 83 - 109 Cost: £0,084 million / $0,337 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 25 tons, 2,6% - Guns: 24 tons, 2,6% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,1% Armour: 86 tons, 9,3% - Belts: 56 tons, 6,0% - Armament: 2 tons, 0,3% - Armour Deck: 27 tons, 2,9% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 337 tons, 36,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 377 tons, 40,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 81 tons, 8,7% Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 2,7% - Hull below water: 15 tons - Hull above water: 2 tons - On freeboard deck: 3 tons - Above deck: 5 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 837 lbs / 380 Kg = 15,9 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,29 Metacentric height 1,3 ft / 0,4 m Roll period: 11,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,31 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,552 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,67 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 16,00 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Aft deck: 32,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 19,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,96 ft / 3,65 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118,2% Waterplane Area: 5 264 Square feet or 489 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109% Structure weight / hull surface area: 43 lbs/sq ft or 212 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,91 - Longitudinal: 2,44 - Overall: 1,00 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Есть запас для модернизации или развития.

БрБО и БрКЛ БО -нужны ли в развитии?

 Отправлено: 26.11.22 12:13. Заголовок: Ответ САСШ, аи-Кирса..

Ответ САСШ, аи-Кирсардж, 3 ед.: laid down 1894, Displacement: 9 013 t light; 9 727 t standard; 10 009 t normal; 10 234 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (383,86 ft / 364,17 ft) x 72,18 ft x (19,69 / 20,07 ft) (117,00 m / 111,00 m) x 22,00 m x (6,00 / 6,12 m) Armament: 4 - 12,99" / 330 mm 35,0 cal guns - 1 028,14lbs / 466,36kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1894 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 4 - 7,99" / 203 mm 35,0 cal guns - 239,33lbs / 108,56kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1894 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount 8 - 7,99" / 203 mm 35,0 cal guns - 239,33lbs / 108,56kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1894 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 18 - 4,02" / 102 mm 35,0 cal guns - 30,36lbs / 13,77kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1894 Model 18 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 18 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas Weight of broadside 7 531 lbs / 3 416 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,275 t each, 1,101 t total submerged bow & stern tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 11,0" / 280 mm 232,94 ft / 71,00 m 7,87 ft / 2,40 m Ends: 4,02" / 102 mm 108,27 ft / 33,00 m 7,87 ft / 2,40 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 98% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 12,2" / 310 mm 5,51" / 140 mm 12,2" / 310 mm 2nd: 9,06" / 230 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 9,06" / 230 mm 3rd: 9,06" / 230 mm 4,02" / 102 mm 9,06" / 230 mm 4th: 4,02" / 102 mm - - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 1,57" / 40 mm - Conning towers: Forward 9,45" / 240 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 636 ihp / 6 442 Kw = 16,50 kts Range 2 000nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 508 tons (100% coal) Complement: 499 - 650 Cost: £1,052 million / $4,210 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 386 tons, 13,9% - Guns: 1 384 tons, 13,8% - Weapons: 2 tons, 0,0% Armour: 3 730 tons, 37,3% - Belts: 1 061 tons, 10,6% - Armament: 1 749 tons, 17,5% - Armour Deck: 825 tons, 8,2% - Conning Tower: 95 tons, 0,9% Machinery: 1 489 tons, 14,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 403 tons, 24,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 996 tons, 9,9% Miscellaneous weights: 5 tons, 0,0% - Above deck: 5 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 6 631 lbs / 3 008 Kg = 6,0 x 13,0 " / 330 mm shells or 7,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19 Metacentric height 4,2 ft / 1,3 m Roll period: 14,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,76 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,31 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,677 / 0,679 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,05 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19,08 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 13,39 ft / 4,08 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103,4% Waterplane Area: 20 637 Square feet or 1 917 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 85% Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 572 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,62 - Longitudinal: 1,45 - Overall: 0,67 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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4 - 7,99" / 203 mm 35,0 cal guns - 239,33lbs / 108,56kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1894 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount

Линейно-возвышенно? Или 2-ярусные башни (в реале была у янкесов такая бодянка)?

 Отправлено: 27.11.22 19:07. Заголовок: Инженер Сидоров пише..

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Линейно-возвышенно? Или 2-ярусные башни

Один с двухъярусными башнями и 2 с линейно-возвышенными.

 Отправлено: 28.11.22 17:58. Заголовок: von Echenbach пишет:..

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2 с линейно-возвышенными.

Прогрессорство небывалое.