Отправлено: 01.04.11 15:42. Заголовок: Генерал-Адмирал Полуброненосный ФР и др

Каким образом можно было-бы усовершенствовать проект?

 Отправлено: 27.05.18 22:32. Заголовок: Ну я думаю что похож..

Ну я думаю что похоже будет на несколько удлиненного Наварина (который был 9500 тонн нормального) с двумя 12 дюймовыми барбетными установками и 2 большими трубами. 10-12 шестидюймовок в батарее.
2 машины и 14 котлов. Мощность машин 10000 л.с. Если начинать с 10500 тонн нормального то запас угля можно будет писать 1000-1200 тонн, как на Адмирале Нахимове.
Можно подумать по поводу 4 дополнительных 9 дюймовых орудий, а можно и не заморачиватся.

Тут надо понимать что эти корабли не получат никаких технических новинок. Ни какой скорострельной артиллерии, ни котлов Бельвиля, стале-железная броня, барбетные установки главного калибра.
Зато через 10 лет в аккурат перед РЯВ эти корабли можно модернизировать - заменить котлы, заказать в Германии или США крупповскую/гарвеевскую броню пояса толщиной 8 дюймов вместо 14, поставить скорострельную артиллерию и тогда вполне можно будет позажигать.

 Отправлено: 04.07.18 09:07. Заголовок: Ещё вариант проекта...

Ещё вариант проекта. Можно вместо 8 6" в батарее поставить 4 8" (8" вполне заменяются 9" - на усмотрение участников :-) ) по типу Редутабля.
Фактически - улучшенный "Имперьюх". И в развитии - "Нахимов с 4х2 8-9 дм.

супер Ген-Адм, аи ри бркр laid down 1872
Barbette ship

Displacement:
4 042 t light; 4 245 t standard; 4 654 t normal; 4 981 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (322,79 ft / 314,96 ft) x 45,93 ft x (19,69 / 20,72 ft) (98,39 m / 96,00 m) x 14,00 m x (6,00 / 6,32 m) Armament: 4 - 7,99" / 203 mm 25,0 cal guns - 198,08lbs / 89,85kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1872 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 25,0 cal guns - 83,16lbs / 37,72kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1872 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas 8 - 3,43" / 87,0 mm 30,0 cal guns - 15,82lbs / 7,18kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1872 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 1 584 lbs / 719 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 14,4" / 365 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,079 t each, 0,318 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 5,98" / 152 mm 209,97 ft / 64,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: 4,02" / 102 mm 104,99 ft / 32,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Upper: 3,23" / 82 mm 236,22 ft / 72,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Main Belt covers 103% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm - 4,02" / 102 mm 2nd: 2,01" / 51 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,26" / 32 mm Forecastle: 0,75" / 19 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,02" / 102 mm, Aft 0,98" / 25 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5 468 ihp / 4 079 Kw = 16,00 kts Range 3 500nm at 8,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 736 tons (100% coal) Complement: 281 - 366 Cost: £0,372 million / $1,489 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 189 tons, 4,1% - Guns: 188 tons, 4,0% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 1 090 tons, 23,4% - Belts: 665 tons, 14,3% - Armament: 172 tons, 3,7% - Armour Deck: 223 tons, 4,8% - Conning Towers: 30 tons, 0,6% Machinery: 1 287 tons, 27,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 476 tons, 31,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 612 tons, 13,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 320 lbs / 1 506 Kg = 17,8 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 15,1 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,37 Metacentric height 2,7 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 11,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,51 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,572 / 0,582 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,86 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,75 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 13,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,04 ft / 4,28 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90,4% Waterplane Area: 10 307 Square feet or 958 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112% Structure weight / hull surface area: 95 lbs/sq ft or 462 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,86 - Longitudinal: 2,24 - Overall: 0,94 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

 Отправлено: 04.07.18 13:22. Заголовок: А корпус не слабоват..

А корпус не слабоват получился для открытого моря?

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Hull subject to strain in open-sea

 Отправлено: 04.07.18 17:22. Заголовок: Инженер Сидоров пише..

Инженер Сидоров пишет:

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А корпус не слабоват получился

Для улучшения надо построгать шарпия. Капризничает. На другом ПК при близких параметрах выдал "всё хорошо". :-)

 Отправлено: 06.07.18 18:58. Заголовок: Да там казалось бы н..

Да там казалось бы незначительные отклонения приводят к диаметрально противоположным результатам.

 Отправлено: 15.07.18 21:20. Заголовок: 4К тонн для океанско..

4К тонн для океанского крейсера это как-то не серьезно.
Даже реальные комоды - Донской и Мономах имели откровенно перекороченный для своих высоченных бортов корпус.
Т.е. даже их по-хорошему нужно удлинять.

 Отправлено: 21.11.18 22:22. Заголовок: Интересный, кстати, ..

Интересный, кстати, вопрос: Сколько пушек и каких калибров должно быть на фрегате в 1870-е 1880-е годы.
2 или 4 пушки крупного калибра? 8 или 9 дюймов?
8, 12 или 16 орудий скорострельного калибра?

 Отправлено: 17.12.18 19:54. Заголовок: Пан директор пишет: ..

Пан директор пишет:

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Сколько пушек и каких калибров

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Возможно 4 ромбом 8-9 дм. В зависимости от аи или реальных экономических возможностей.
Попробовал "модернизировать" "Кн. Пожарский": 6 8" в нижней батарее, и 2 в оконечностях за барбетом. 8 6" и МК на верхней палубе. Таран убрал.
аи Кн. Пожарский, аи РИ бр фр laid down 1870
Barbette ship

Displacement:
4 309 t light; 4 503 t standard; 4 712 t normal; 4 879 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (308,76 ft / 301,84 ft) x 49,21 ft x (19,69 / 20,24 ft) (94,11 m / 92,00 m) x 15,00 m x (6,00 / 6,17 m) Armament: 6 - 7,99" / 203 mm 30,0 cal guns - 196,84lbs / 89,28kg shells, 70 per gun Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1870 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 2 - 7,99" / 203 mm 30,0 cal guns - 196,84lbs / 89,28kg shells, 70 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1870 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft 8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 28,0 cal guns - 82,13lbs / 37,25kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1870 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 2,49lbs / 1,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1870 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 2 252 lbs / 1 021 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 14,0" / 356 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,059 t each, 0,119 t total submerged bow & stern tubes 2nd Torpedoes 4 - 14,0" / 356 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,059 t each, 0,238 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted reloads Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 223,10 ft / 68,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 3,54" / 90 mm 78,74 ft / 24,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Upper: 4,02" / 102 mm 223,10 ft / 68,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Main Belt covers 114% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 1,18" / 30 mm - 2nd: 2,36" / 60 mm - 4,72" / 120 mm 3rd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,26" / 32 mm Forecastle: 0,59" / 15 mm Quarter deck: 0,59" / 15 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5 709 ihp / 4 259 Kw = 16,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 377 tons (100% coal) Complement: 283 - 369 Cost: £0,421 million / $1,684 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 250 tons, 5,3% - Guns: 250 tons, 5,3% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 1 219 tons, 25,9% - Belts: 781 tons, 16,6% - Armament: 189 tons, 4,0% - Armour Deck: 227 tons, 4,8% - Conning Tower: 21 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 399 tons, 29,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 441 tons, 30,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 403 tons, 8,6% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 524 lbs / 1 145 Kg = 14,1 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 17,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,36 Metacentric height 3,0 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 12,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,62 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,564 / 0,568 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,13 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,37 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 40,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,91 ft / 5,46 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 112,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114,5% Waterplane Area: 10 504 Square feet or 976 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100% Structure weight / hull surface area: 88 lbs/sq ft or 429 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,70 - Longitudinal: 3,22 - Overall: 0,81 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

 Отправлено: 17.12.18 20:18. Заголовок: Второй вариант, ближ..

Второй вариант, ближе к реальным ДУ.

аи Пожарский-2, аи РИ бр фр laid down 1870
Barbette ship

Displacement:
4 261 t light; 4 454 t standard; 4 662 t normal; 4 828 t full load
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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (311,68 ft / 301,84 ft) x 49,21 ft x (19,69 / 20,24 ft) (95,00 m / 92,00 m) x 15,00 m x (6,00 / 6,17 m) Armament: 6 - 7,99" / 203 mm 30,0 cal guns - 196,84lbs / 89,28kg shells, 70 per gun Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1870 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 2 - 7,99" / 203 mm 30,0 cal guns - 196,84lbs / 89,28kg shells, 70 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1870 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft 8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 28,0 cal guns - 82,13lbs / 37,25kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1870 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 2,49lbs / 1,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1870 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 2 252 lbs / 1 021 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 14,0" / 356 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,059 t each, 0,238 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted reloads Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 183,73 ft / 56,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 3,54" / 90 mm 104,99 ft / 32,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 3,54" / 90 mm 183,73 ft / 56,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Main Belt covers 94% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 1,18" / 30 mm - 2nd: 2,36" / 60 mm - 4,72" / 120 mm 3rd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,26" / 32 mm Forecastle: 0,59" / 15 mm Quarter deck: 0,59" / 15 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,79" / 20 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4 434 ihp / 3 308 Kw = 15,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 374 tons (100% coal) Complement: 281 - 366 Cost: £0,376 million / $1,503 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 250 tons, 5,4% - Guns: 250 tons, 5,4% - Weapons: 0 tons, 0,0% Armour: 1 099 tons, 23,6% - Belts: 642 tons, 13,8% - Armament: 205 tons, 4,4% - Armour Deck: 226 tons, 4,8% - Conning Towers: 26 tons, 0,6% Machinery: 1 087 tons, 23,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 725 tons, 37,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 401 tons, 8,6% Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 2,1% - Hull below water: 100 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 933 lbs / 1 784 Kg = 22,0 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 23,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,33 Metacentric height 2,9 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 12,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,63 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,558 / 0,562 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,13 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,37 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 40,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,91 ft / 5,46 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114,7% Waterplane Area: 10 445 Square feet or 970 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114% Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 508 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,82 - Longitudinal: 3,76 - Overall: 0,96 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

 Отправлено: 16.06.19 08:21. Заголовок: "Улучшенный"..

"Улучшенный" "Невский": к схеме "Дюпре" добавлена пара бортовых барбетов ближе к миделю, немного защищена батарея СК.
Есть размышлизмы о "супер-Мономахе" с 8-9 8-9 -дм: 4 в каземате, 4-5 по ДПл, причем 2 или 3-е орудие возвышенно, на срезе надстройки полубака.

laid down 1868
Barbette ship

Displacement:
4 096 t light; 4 336 t standard; 5 102 t normal; 5 715 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (291,83 ft / 282,15 ft) x 46,59 ft x (21,00 / 23,13 ft) (88,95 m / 86,00 m) x 14,20 m x (6,40 / 7,05 m) Armament: 6 - 7,99" / 203 mm 32,0 cal guns - 193,83lbs / 87,92kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1868 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 35,0 cal guns - 40,47lbs / 18,36kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1868 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas Weight of broadside 1 649 lbs / 748 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m torpedoes - 0,047 t each, 0,187 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 5,91" / 150 mm 180,45 ft / 55,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 82,02 ft / 25,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m 19,69 ft / 6,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 98% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: - 2,36" / 60 mm 5,91" / 150 mm 2nd: 2,36" / 60 mm - - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,79" / 20 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4 971 ihp / 3 708 Kw = 15,00 kts Range 4 200nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 380 tons (100% coal) Complement: 301 - 392 Cost: £0,394 million / $1,576 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 282 tons, 5,5% - Guns: 282 tons, 5,5% - Weapons: 0 tons, 0,0% Armour: 1 132 tons, 22,2% - Belts: 448 tons, 8,8% - Armament: 394 tons, 7,7% - Armour Deck: 270 tons, 5,3% - Conning Towers: 20 tons, 0,4% Machinery: 1 273 tons, 25,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 409 tons, 27,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 006 tons, 19,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 365 lbs / 1 526 Kg = 19,7 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 27,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,46 Metacentric height 3,1 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 11,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,50 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,647 / 0,658 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,06 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 16,80 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 28,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 40,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,41 ft / 4,39 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82,9% Waterplane Area: 10 042 Square feet or 933 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117% Structure weight / hull surface area: 98 lbs/sq ft or 478 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,80 - Longitudinal: 2,54 - Overall: 0,90 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

С прочностью корпуса пока проблемы, увы... болезнь многих моих проектов. :-)

 Отправлено: 16.06.19 14:03. Заголовок: von Echenbach пишет:..

von Echenbach пишет:

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Есть размышлизмы о "супер-Мономахе" с 8-9 8-9 -дм: 4 в каземате, 4-5 по ДПл, причем 2 или 3-е орудие возвышенно, на срезе надстройки полубака.

Адмирал Нахимов С расположение ГК как в броненосце из дипломного проекта Степанова

 Отправлено: 17.06.19 12:31. Заголовок: Dampir пишет: ГК ка..

Dampir пишет:

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ГК как в броненосце из дипломного проекта Степанова

И Фишер размахивал проектом "суперИнфлексибля" :-).
А не будет ли избыточным для крейсера, особенно тех лет, вооружение?
"Линейные рейдеры" в парусную эпоху бывали, - типа, в т.ч., "тяжелых фрегатов".

 Отправлено: 17.06.19 15:59. Заголовок: von Echenbach пишет:..

von Echenbach пишет:

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не будет ли избыточным для крейсера, особенно тех лет, вооружение?

Имелось в виду расположение ГК естественно 8дм , у 12 дм скорострельность мала Тут же в принципе испытанное расположение . Фишеру "я бы палец в рот не положил"(с)

 Отправлено: 18.06.19 02:10. Заголовок: аи-Нахимов, Носовая ..

аи-Нахимов, Носовая группа ГК (и в варианте Б - кормовая) сгруппированы вместе. 2 трубы, по ВЛ пояс 120-203-120.
laid down 1885
Barbette ship

Displacement:
6 650 t light; 6 973 t standard; 7 476 t normal; 7 879 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (351,05 ft / 337,93 ft) x 52,49 ft x (26,25 / 27,37 ft) (107,00 m / 103,00 m) x 16,00 m x (8,00 / 8,34 m) Armament: 8 - 7,99" / 203 mm 35,0 cal guns - 230,18lbs / 104,41kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1885 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 35,0 cal guns - 47,55lbs / 21,57kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1885 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 8 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 2,86lbs / 1,30kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1885 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 2 435 lbs / 1 104 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,190 t each, 0,379 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,99" / 203 mm 187,01 ft / 57,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 4,72" / 120 mm 144,36 ft / 44,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 85% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: - 2,36" / 60 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 2nd: 2,36" / 60 mm - - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,72" / 120 mm, Aft 1,18" / 30 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 055 ihp / 6 009 Kw = 17,00 kts Range 3 900nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 906 tons (100% coal) Complement: 401 - 522 Cost: £0,568 million / $2,273 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 470 tons, 6,3% - Guns: 470 tons, 6,3% - Weapons: 0 tons, 0,0% Armour: 2 123 tons, 28,4% - Belts: 913 tons, 12,2% - Armament: 652 tons, 8,7% - Armour Deck: 510 tons, 6,8% - Conning Towers: 49 tons, 0,7% Machinery: 1 566 tons, 20,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 491 tons, 33,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 826 tons, 11,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 8 188 lbs / 3 714 Kg = 34,7 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 10,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,24 Metacentric height 2,8 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 13,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 98 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,69 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,96 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,562 / 0,568 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,44 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,38 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 40,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,61 ft / 5,06 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97,3% Waterplane Area: 12 520 Square feet or 1 163 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118% Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 632 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,08 - Longitudinal: 3,80 - Overall: 1,23 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

 Отправлено: 18.06.19 10:04. Заголовок: https://d.radikal.ru..

аи "Адмирал Нахимов" Броненосный крейсер, 1885 г, 8 8", 12 - 4,7".

 Отправлено: 18.06.19 15:31. Заголовок: Опять же водоизмещен..

Опять же водоизмещение сомнительно, ну и 10 торпед для потопления это круто, пре"Ямато"

 Отправлено: 23.07.19 12:44. Заголовок: аи марко-флора, аи р..

аи марко-флора, аи ри - италия аи полуброненосный кр laid down 1898

Displacement:
3 863 t light; 4 041 t standard; 4 503 t normal; 4 872 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (328,08 ft / 314,96 ft) x 42,65 ft x (19,69 / 21,01 ft) (100,00 m / 96,00 m) x 13,00 m x (6,00 / 6,40 m) Armament: 6 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas 6 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck aft 8 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 3,04lbs / 1,38kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 992 lbs / 450 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,322 t each, 1,287 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,15" / 80 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 1,97" / 50 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m 19,69 ft / 6,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 48% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 3,15" / 80 mm - - 2nd: 1,57" / 40 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,15" / 80 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 853 ihp / 8 096 Kw = 20,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 831 tons (100% coal) Complement: 274 - 357 Cost: £0,426 million / $1,705 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 172 tons, 3,8% - Guns: 171 tons, 3,8% - Weapons: 2 tons, 0,0% Armour: 780 tons, 17,3% - Belts: 304 tons, 6,7% - Armament: 59 tons, 1,3% - Armour Deck: 399 tons, 8,9% - Conning Tower: 19 tons, 0,4% Machinery: 1 742 tons, 38,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 170 tons, 26,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 640 tons, 14,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 731 lbs / 1 239 Kg = 25,5 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 2,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,53 Metacentric height 2,9 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 10,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,16 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,55 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,596 / 0,604 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,38 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,75 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 40,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,10 ft / 4,60 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 136,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 88,7% Waterplane Area: 9 788 Square feet or 909 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95% Structure weight / hull surface area: 75 lbs/sq ft or 365 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,07 - Longitudinal: 2,83 - Overall: 1,18 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Можно заменить в центральной батарее 6 6" на 4 8". Высокий короткий борт вдоль КМО и узкий, по типу лг. кр сасш 2 мв в носу и корме.

 Отправлено: 12.08.19 12:12. Заголовок: альт Аврора-Светлана..

альт Аврора-Светлана, альт Росс альт кр 1 ранга laid down 1893 - по мотивам...

Displacement:
3 488 t light; 3 669 t standard; 4 494 t normal; 5 154 t full load

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Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (344,49 ft / 331,36 ft) x 49,21 ft x (16,40 / 18,36 ft) (105,00 m / 101,00 m) x 15,00 m x (5,00 / 5,60 m) Armament: 1 - 7,99" / 203 mm 45,0 cal gun - 257,42lbs / 116,76kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading gun in deck mount, 1893 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft 7 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 6 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 13,63lbs / 6,18kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 1 096 lbs / 497 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,265 t each, 0,529 t total submerged bow tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,01" / 51 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 91% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,47" / 12 mm - 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,35" / 9 mm - 3rd: 0,35" / 9 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 2,01" / 51 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,01" / 51 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 774 ihp / 6 545 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 5 700nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 486 tons (100% coal) Complement: 273 - 356 Cost: £0,390 million / $1,560 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 166 tons, 3,7% - Guns: 165 tons, 3,7% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 561 tons, 12,5% - Belts: 115 tons, 2,6% - Armament: 31 tons, 0,7% - Armour Deck: 404 tons, 9,0% - Conning Tower: 12 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 539 tons, 34,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 220 tons, 27,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 007 tons, 22,4% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 875 lbs / 1 757 Kg = 15,2 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 4,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,77 Metacentric height 4,4 ft / 1,3 m Roll period: 9,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 89 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,18 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,77 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,588 / 0,602 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,73 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,20 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,48 ft / 4,42 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108,0% Waterplane Area: 11 794 Square feet or 1 096 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109% Structure weight / hull surface area: 74 lbs/sq ft or 360 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,95 - Longitudinal: 1,98 - Overall: 1,02 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather